downcow wrote: » I have just completed census recently and I ticked the box Northern Irish, but I am every bit as british as I ever was. So when you do your sums don’t assume Northern Irish are less british than those who tick british
igCorcaigh wrote: » Regardless of the interesting debate we have about the constitutional affairs, let's say, and there has been great contributions here on this thread. Can I make a point about how education in both NI and ROI, has been abysmal in how it segregates by religion. What a blocker to a modern peaceful society. Probably worse in ROI, we are such an outlier. Social housing is also a huge issue; segregated in NI, and dysfunctional in ROI.
Akrasia wrote: » Rabies is not 'in europe' There have been some cases of people with rabies arriving in Europe having acquired the infection outside of the EU, but no cases of animals infected with rabies causing an infection inside of the EU in at least 20 years The reason why, is that there are very strong import controls on live animals into the EU, including domestic pets The UK did not want to maintain regulatory alignment with the EU so they are now a third country who need to be subjected to exactly the same checks as every other non EU country (where no other treaties apply) We already know that border infrastructure will be removed as soon as it is put up because 'camera/digital checks' at the Ireland NI border is not acceptable, nor are any checks at the border between Ireland and the EU as we are still in the EU and not part of a union that have just left the EU The UK government choose a hard brexit, and NI have nobody else to blame for any hardship caused by this than Johnson and the Tories
Frank Bullitt wrote: » The same old garbage we have heard for the past 4 years. Putting up cameras on the NI boarder would be a complete disaster, it wouldn't be an open boarder, and that interferes with the GFA. What are "sensible" checks? What other examples are there of "EU beurocratic nonsense"? Why should the EU reduce checks for the UK, and not for every other third country then? Plenty of white noise there.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Identity is complex and fluid which is good for Unionists as they are welcome to be part of the Irish nation. I believe it's only 30%, or thereabouts, who describe themselves as 'British' now in the north with the remainder as Irish/North-Irish. It bodes well for a future as a united country and people.
igCorcaigh wrote: » Identity is complex and fluid, as you say.
downcow wrote: » I think The Eu Roi and UK should be big girls and cooperate a little. Firstly there are endless checks etc ongoing which are not required, eg my daughters dog requiring a rabies jab to move from rabies-free gb into rabies-free ni. Problem is that Eu, which has rabies, wants it jabbed in case they get more rabies lol. One of hundreds of crazy Eu beurocratic nonsense. So reduce checks. Have electronic system to log movements (UK has said they will take responsibility for anything that breaches this and Eu can sue) Have some sensible checks on Irish Sea Have some camera / digital checks on Irish border Maybe some stuff at Cherbourg if it’s more appropriate Etc etc. It’s just about being grown up and getting a win win
downcow wrote: » I think The Eu Roi and UK should be big girls and cooperate a little. Firstly there are endless checks etc ongoing which are not required, eg my daughters dog requiring a rabies jab to move from rabies-free gb into rabies-free ni. Problem is that Eu, which has rabies, wants it jabbed in case they get more rabies lol. One of hundreds of crazy Eu beurocratic nonsense.So reduce checks. Have electronic system to log movements (UK has said they will take responsibility for anything that breaches this and Eu can sue)Have some sensible checks on Irish Sea Have some camera / digital checks on Irish border Maybe some stuff at Cherbourg if it’s more appropriate Etc etc. It’s just about being grown up and getting a win win
nullzero wrote: » There's the thing. You're not Irish, and Unionists will never identify as Irish, mainly because they view themselves as better than the Irish. In all honesty, you cannot negotiate with bigotry that is as ingrained as that found with Unionists. Unionists don't want anything to do with us, any United Ireland would only end in one way; a bloody unending civil war. Were it not for the civil rights movement in the 1960s there would still the an apartheid system in place in Northern Ireland. Unionists hate us, they hate all nationalists in the North and they hate the Republic of Ireland and all it represents, mainly that we've scraped our way to being a success story while Northern Ireland is by all metrics a failed state. Why should we entertain Unionists and all the baggage that comes with them? Let Britain deal with them. My sincere condolences to all rational people in the North because their lives are ruled by these imbeciles.
Oh Yeah! wrote: » Nobody cares. This is major level cope. The "face" phenomenon is really nothing more than the musings of sexually frustrated bisexual millenial males. Its 18-22 year olds who have no outlet for their homoeroticism. They're also statistically proven to be the most sexually hopeless generation of men ever. They should not be listened to. The face must simply be symmetrical. The "facial aesthetic" ideals miscers seem to like are actually at odds with science which says that women are attracted to feminine male faces. Considering black men actually have more feminine faces (bigger lips, less prominent jaws, rounder heads) it would seem to suggest that your "facially attractive" nonsense doesnt really hold true. Besides, if Ryan fukking Gosling can be considered aesthetic then I dont really know what to believe anymore. Its about sex appeal. It doesnt start and stop with the face. But, just like some 19% bodyfat manlet gymcel with bad hygiene and poor communication skills would be seen as sexually unappealing, so too would some beta twink with a pretty face and no masculinity.
igCorcaigh wrote: » Meh, all national identities are fabrications anyway.
downcow wrote: » There is an ‘n’ in front of it
antgal23 wrote: » Whatever way you package it, you are Irish with a big or small i
FrancieBrady wrote: » Tell us again. I must have missed it.
Del.Monte wrote: » And Derry from 1972.
downcow wrote: » It def means different things to different. Theses things evolve. Francie wants all loyalists to fit into the same we box. I would say the vast majority of the PUL community in ni regard themselves as loyal to the monarch and certainly respect the monarch. Our nation is a constitutional monarchy (thanks to King Billy). So loyalty to the monarch is very different to being loyal to James ll or Kim Jung. I regard myself as a loyalist and loyalist to ni comes above loyalty to either the queen or the British Parliament. It is though a pleasure to be loyal to a wonderful monarch like our queen. How would you see the difference (if any) between nationalist and republican in ni context ?
downcow wrote: » I belong to a nation of 70 million people
downcow wrote: » I have told you so many times including in this very thread
FrancieBrady wrote: » Where do they think it should be now. Care to tell is downcow as you are against the Protocol?
[Deleted User] wrote: » A staunch unionist actually joined me and my friend, who is a very very English Brexit voter, for beers a few weeks ago. (Asia) It's not an interesting story really but I definitely had a closer affinity with the guy than my friend had. There would be no question in my friend's mind about who the unionist was. He's "Irish". It was a bit of an awkward conversation but we got through it. I genuinely have little interest in these things but this guy really cared. It was bizarre and out of place. It's my most recent experience with a real life version of downcow. They simply don't understand how completely separate they are from the mainland. The EU has brought a greater shared identity between an Irishman and a German than the UK has resulted in between a Yorkshireman and a Northern Irish Unionist. They don't want to rule themselves. They don't want anything to do with the country that cares most about them. They just want to be part of a country that doesn't even know who they are. A failed caravan indeed. My friend is very against the idea of Scotland leaving but would give away Northern Ireland for a fiver. I have another English friend who thinks I'm British. He told his wife, a friend of my ex, that we only say we're Irish as a cultural thing, and I kid you not, he's a Geography teacher in an international school. It's beyond comprehension. The apathy to Ireland and even trying to understand it is engrained in the culture.
cameramonkey wrote: » They want the GFA agreement gone, that is clear and also where did they think the border would be? I mean if they did not think about the repercussions of Brexit in terms of where the border would be they are politically inept.
