downcow wrote: » I think you are just making up descriptions. I see little difference in them. Unionist certainly support the union, that does not mean they cannot oppose the government of the day - ie the union comes first before supporting any particular government Loyalist are the same but I may agree that there is a slight nuanced difference in that those who would say they are first and foremost a loyalist would, I believe, contemplate arrangements outside the UK but maintaining NI and for some that would need to have the british monarch I think loyalists are first and foremost loyal to OWC with the UK a very important thing to also hold on to.
Zebra3 wrote: » Is the loyalty not about the loyalty to the unelected head of state?
briany wrote: » It could do the same for the UK, maybe.
Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: » They're basically an abandoned caravan of a failed invasion
downcow wrote: I disagree strongly with some of it. The lie was sold that a border in the Irish Sea would protect gfa and peace. This is the root of the problem and the anger. The dup were completely incompetent allowing this lie to take legs.
downcow wrote: Those bad unionists! We could say exactly the same about a few checks on seed potatoes at Dundalk
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » The root of the problem is that the DUP refused to back Mays plan. The lie is that they're were doing it for a proper Brexit when we all know it was to try to reintroduce the land border to spite nationalists. If that isn't true then how else did the DUP envisage that the EU / UK border would work? Clearly they're were banking on their hold of the Tories at the time.
downcow wrote: » I honestly don’t believe they were interested in creating a land border, but I can’t get inside their head to be sure
cameramonkey wrote: » They want the GFA agreement gone, that is clear and also where did they think the border would be? I mean if they did not think about the repercussions of Brexit in terms of where the border would be they are politically inept.
[Deleted User] wrote: » A staunch unionist actually joined me and my friend, who is a very very English Brexit voter, for beers a few weeks ago. (Asia) It's not an interesting story really but I definitely had a closer affinity with the guy than my friend had. There would be no question in my friend's mind about who the unionist was. He's "Irish". It was a bit of an awkward conversation but we got through it. I genuinely have little interest in these things but this guy really cared. It was bizarre and out of place. It's my most recent experience with a real life version of downcow. They simply don't understand how completely separate they are from the mainland. The EU has brought a greater shared identity between an Irishman and a German than the UK has resulted in between a Yorkshireman and a Northern Irish Unionist. They don't want to rule themselves. They don't want anything to do with the country that cares most about them. They just want to be part of a country that doesn't even know who they are. A failed caravan indeed. My friend is very against the idea of Scotland leaving but would give away Northern Ireland for a fiver. I have another English friend who thinks I'm British. He told his wife, a friend of my ex, that we only say we're Irish as a cultural thing, and I kid you not, he's a Geography teacher in an international school. It's beyond comprehension. The apathy to Ireland and even trying to understand it is engrained in the culture.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Where do they think it should be now. Care to tell is downcow as you are against the Protocol?
downcow wrote: » I have told you so many times including in this very thread
downcow wrote: » I belong to a nation of 70 million people
downcow wrote: » It def means different things to different. Theses things evolve. Francie wants all loyalists to fit into the same we box. I would say the vast majority of the PUL community in ni regard themselves as loyal to the monarch and certainly respect the monarch. Our nation is a constitutional monarchy (thanks to King Billy). So loyalty to the monarch is very different to being loyal to James ll or Kim Jung. I regard myself as a loyalist and loyalist to ni comes above loyalty to either the queen or the British Parliament. It is though a pleasure to be loyal to a wonderful monarch like our queen. How would you see the difference (if any) between nationalist and republican in ni context ?
Del.Monte wrote: » And Derry from 1972.
antgal23 wrote: » Whatever way you package it, you are Irish with a big or small i
FrancieBrady wrote: » Tell us again. I must have missed it.
downcow wrote: » There is an ‘n’ in front of it
Oh Yeah! wrote: » Nobody cares. This is major level cope. The "face" phenomenon is really nothing more than the musings of sexually frustrated bisexual millenial males. Its 18-22 year olds who have no outlet for their homoeroticism. They're also statistically proven to be the most sexually hopeless generation of men ever. They should not be listened to. The face must simply be symmetrical. The "facial aesthetic" ideals miscers seem to like are actually at odds with science which says that women are attracted to feminine male faces. Considering black men actually have more feminine faces (bigger lips, less prominent jaws, rounder heads) it would seem to suggest that your "facially attractive" nonsense doesnt really hold true. Besides, if Ryan fukking Gosling can be considered aesthetic then I dont really know what to believe anymore. Its about sex appeal. It doesnt start and stop with the face. But, just like some 19% bodyfat manlet gymcel with bad hygiene and poor communication skills would be seen as sexually unappealing, so too would some beta twink with a pretty face and no masculinity.
igCorcaigh wrote: » Meh, all national identities are fabrications anyway.
downcow wrote: » I think The Eu Roi and UK should be big girls and cooperate a little. Firstly there are endless checks etc ongoing which are not required, eg my daughters dog requiring a rabies jab to move from rabies-free gb into rabies-free ni. Problem is that Eu, which has rabies, wants it jabbed in case they get more rabies lol. One of hundreds of crazy Eu beurocratic nonsense. So reduce checks. Have electronic system to log movements (UK has said they will take responsibility for anything that breaches this and Eu can sue) Have some sensible checks on Irish Sea Have some camera / digital checks on Irish border Maybe some stuff at Cherbourg if it’s more appropriate Etc etc. It’s just about being grown up and getting a win win
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