Fighting Irish wrote: » It's funny to me that the US spent so much time and money looking for him then once they caught him they killed him and ****ed him into the sea.
Trigger wrote: » You can play devil's advocate all you want, I have provided you with links to where the photoshopped bin laden pictures originated.
theballz wrote: » This is what is primarily fuelling the conspiracy theory. The only plausible reason is they didn’t want to create a place of worship and within Islamic practice a burial place needs to be selected/arranged within 24 hours of death. Personally (and I’m not a fan of conspiracy theories,) I think he had died many years before. The death of OBL was very close to Obama’s second election and was used as a tool to rally support. When the US trialed Sadam Hussien they publicised his hanging very graphically, however, they didn’t even publish a picture of Bin Laden? Doesn’t add up in my opinion.
theballz wrote: » . The death of OBL was very close to Obama’s second election and was used as a tool to rally support. Doesn’t add up in my opinion.
sabat wrote: » Seymour Hersh with a far more credible account of what happened:https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v37/n10/seymour-m.-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden
Dohnjoe wrote: » It's a terrible piece, devoid of solid evidence and relied heavily on a few anonymous sources. It's been widely criticised, either Hersh is getting senile or he's being far too gullible with his "sources"https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/18/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden-review-seymour-m-hersh-abbottabad-syria-sarin-al-nusra-governmenthttps://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bin-laden
Dohnjoe wrote: » When and where was he killed according to you and what's the evidence for that?
JohnMcm1 wrote: » Meant to post this in the original, saw it doing the rounds on social media.
Dohnjoe wrote: » I've seen a lot of the footage, he doesn't "look different" to me. Do you have any evidence they are all doctored? if so, that's some very impressive double or CGI. Also managed to fool all of the world's intelligence agencies, and Al Qaeda themselves. He declared war on the US in 1996. He was on the FBI's top ten most wanted list by 1998.
ShatterAlan wrote: » He was actually never on the FBI's list for 9/11 involvement.
Dohnjoe wrote: » What videos?They ditched his body in the sea because they didn't want to create a shrine I believe you are referring to the Chinook crash in 2011 that killed 38. No one from the Bin Laden mission was killed in that attack, but members from their unit were killed.
ShatterAlan wrote: » That's a pretty poor excuse. If Osama was as bad as he's made out to be then who would even go to this shrine?.
Dohnjoe wrote: » It's a terrible photoshop job, so I am not sure I would trust your claims on footage of Bin Ladenhttps://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/19/facebook-posts/dont-fall-these-altered-images-obama-clinton-and-r/
Dohnjoe wrote: » Not really, they found him, killed him. The info is all out there. Of course if you want mystery and suspicion, conspiracy sites cater for those demands by distorting the facts to manufacture a vague mystery out of it, the same way they do with everything.
ShatterAlan wrote: » That's a pretty poor excuse. If Osama was as bad as he's made out to be then who would even go to this shrine? If anything people would go to desecrate it and that would be just fine and dandy for the propaganda machine.
It would have been just as easy to show evidence of his corpse much like they did with Uday and Qusay Hussein.
Speaking of he Husseins, old uncle Saddam is buried in the Al-Awja cemetary in his home town of Tikrit. Why was there no fear of creating a shrine to him?
All logic points to Osama having died or being killed years prior but his bogey-man legacy being used to ramp up the fear. They couldn't keep his ass alive forever so at some point they had to announce that he was killed and his body disposed of.
The reason why Jimmy Saville was exhumed and his rotten corpse moved to a secret location was at the behest of his family and not because legions of nonces would descend on the shrine and hold vigils in honour or the Great Paedo In Chief but because the thing would have been trashed and vandalised daily.
theballz wrote: » This is what is primarily fuelling the conspiracy theory.The only plausible reason is they didn’t want to create a place of worship and within Islamic practice a burial place needs to be selected/arranged within 24 hours of death. Personally (and I’m not a fan of conspiracy theories,) I think he had died many years before. The death of OBL was very close to Obama’s second election and was used as a tool to rally support. When the US trialed Sadam Hussien they publicised his hanging very graphically, however, they didn’t even publish a picture of Bin Laden? Doesn’t add up in my opinion.
TheRepentent wrote: » Well what the fuk were they suppose to do with him ? Send him to a taxidermist ? They dumped the scumbag in the sea so that his burial spot wouldn't become a shrine for other religious fuktards
ShatterAlan wrote: » What's vague is that they purported to have found him, killed him and then disposed of the body with no evidence that they did any of this.
You constantly demand evidence and sources from people but are quite happy to just take this story on faith without a shred of evidence and then go along with all the excuses that are tabled for not providing evidence such as the "shrine" thing or the usual "national security risk" chestnut.
JohnMcm1 wrote: » What ****e are you talking?
Guy:Incognito wrote: » Like how Hitler is universally hated and no one would attempt to go to anywhere he is associated with?
ShatterAlan wrote: » So what? What's your point? Hitler's body was apparently incinerated by Goebbels. Was that done to prevent a shrine from emerging or was it old Adolf's dying wish that he didn't want his corpse to be found and dragged along the street like Mussolini or Ceaucescu? Did the Allies burn his body and dispose of it to prevent so-called shrines from materialising. The whole shrine thing is laughable. Why didn't the Brits dump Bobby Sands' corpse into the North Sea or those executed after 1916 into Dublin Bay and let the prawns have at them?
Dohnjoe wrote: » Is your random personal assumption. As mentioned, Trump also had Al Baghdadi buried at sea for the same reason, they didn't want to create some sort of shrine or mecca. They didn't want to publish the photos, nor did they have to.As mentioned, the Iraqi's controlled his death. You are claiming Bin Laden died earlier? when, where, how and evidence for that please.. A sexual predator has nothing to do with an international terrorist and terrorist ideology.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Incredulity. You can't believe it, and that's your argument it didn't happen. Again. You noticing a pattern to this yet? World events didn't happen because you can't "believe" it.
ShatterAlan wrote: » Why not? If they are so worried about public opinion then why not kill their adversary and then be magnanimous in victory? If Bin Laden had so many devoted followers then why inflame them further by dumping his body in the sea? Surely returning his body would have shown you to be much more honorable and respectful of their position, a gesture that would have, I don't doubt, garnered a more grudging admiration than throwing his body into the sea, if that indeed even happened. How many battlefield generals have called a ceasefire and allowed the enemy wounded and dead to be rescued or collected and repatriated, thus showing respect and gallantry?
As for the Iraqis controlling Saddam Hussein's death. The whole trial was a show. A drum-head court martial in a kangaroo court controlled by the Americans. If you believe otherwise I have an estate of igloos in Arizona to sell you.
One more LIE on you part is that I am claiming that Bin Laden died earlier.I didn't claim this. I have reasons to suspect that he did and I mentioned that it was reported on Fox that he was reported to have died on December 26th, 2001 or that it was reported on December 26th, 2001 that he died although the time/date of death was earlier
All logic points to Osama having died or being killed years prior
What's vague is that they purported to have found him, killed him and then disposed of the body with no evidence that they did any of this.
ShatterAlan wrote: » "Incredulity" Are YOU seeing a pattern? This is your go-to and always has been and it's a poor counter-argument.
I don't believe in the tooth-fairy either but you can argue until you are blue in the face that you went to bed with a tooth under your pillow and woke up with a shilling in its place and my incredulity should be dismissed because you know what must have happened.
