downcow wrote: » Don’t know what you are talking about
RobMc59 wrote: » We all see our own country and its history differently to how we're viewed around the world. (Irish people do this too imo)British people are generally proud of their country's identity and history although many are aware there have been some shameful episodes in that history.This is probably the same for all countries that had a colonial past.
lawred2 wrote: » I said to my wife earlier in the week to wait and see how the PSNI reacts if similar carry on kicks off in a nationalist area.. Being British she didn't quite believe me. She sees it now.
downcow wrote: » I tiny little bit of fairness was all that was required. Only check what’s necessary and stop the nonsense. Accept UK is left and stop using ni issue to try and punish UK. My daughter wants to come over from Scotland next month but she will have to get her dog vaccinated for rabies first. Mad. If Eu would sort out covid vaccines instead of worrying about my daughters dog having rabies.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Does anyone feel unease about the fact that unionists rioted for 6 nights and no water canons but nationalists riot for one and the PSNI used water canons on night one? Would you rather water cannon fired at you or baton rounds? I'm delighted that water cannon have been introduced into the situation. Six baton rounds were fired this week on the streets of Belfast.
Lucy8080 wrote: » ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Does anyone feel unease about the fact that unionists rioted for 6 nights and no water canons but nationalists riot for one and the PSNI used water canons on night one? Would you rather water cannon fired at you or baton rounds? I'm delighted that water cannon have been introduced into the situation. Six baton rounds were fired this week on the streets of Belfast. They were fired at nationalists too. And they had attack dogs.https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/04/10/news/concerns-raised-about-the-use-of-plastic-bullets-2283219/ Are these those you are referring to?
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Lucy8080 wrote: » They were fired at nationalists too. And they had attack dogs. ...the above quote is not mine, dunno what went wrong here ....I'm replying to "Ilyv" s words . " Batons or water? Get these kids off the streets , whatever community you feel you represent. Attack dogs? The kids on these streets (both sides) have dogs that would eat anyone's dogs!
Lucy8080 wrote: » They were fired at nationalists too. And they had attack dogs.
Lucy8080 wrote: » ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Batons or water? Get these kids off the streets , whatever community you feel you represent. Attack dogs? The kids on these streets (both sides) have dogs that would eat anyone's dogs! Batons and canons both fired ONLY in nationalist areas. That is definite two tier policing. And yes we need these kids off the street. And those adults in charge of them should be ashamed.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Batons or water? Get these kids off the streets , whatever community you feel you represent. Attack dogs? The kids on these streets (both sides) have dogs that would eat anyone's dogs!
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Lucy8080 wrote: » Batons and canons both fired ONLY in nationalist areas. That is definite two tier policing. And yes we need these kids off the street. And those adults in charge of them should be ashamed. Are you sure about that? "Batons and Cannons" both fired "ONLY" in nationalist areas? I'll take correction if that is what has happened this week!
Lucy8080 wrote: » Batons and canons both fired ONLY in nationalist areas. That is definite two tier policing. And yes we need these kids off the street. And those adults in charge of them should be ashamed.
Lucy8080 wrote: » ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Are you sure about that? "Batons and Cannons" both fired "ONLY" in nationalist areas? I'll take correction if that is what has happened this week! I will take correction too if I am wrong. But as far as I can tell yes. I can only find reference to attack dogs canons and plastic bullets in relation to springfield and says the canon was used against nationalist youths. I can't find evidence it was used on loyalists. Also it was an actual loyalist who told me about the attack dogs in springfield.https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/04/10/news/concerns-raised-about-the-use-of-plastic-bullets-2283219/ But I will take correction if i have not come across it yet. IMO plastic bullets should not be fired at ANYONE in the North. We have seen how coming down hard goes wrong in the past. If i am wrong its just because I have not come across it yet i dont mean to mislead anyone. So if people have further info please put it here.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Are you sure about that? "Batons and Cannons" both fired "ONLY" in nationalist areas? I'll take correction if that is what has happened this week!
Lucy8080 wrote: » Am I /you noticing that boards is quoting your words as " originally posted by me", and my words as " originally posted by you" ? It's disconcerting ( and kinda funny).
Lucy8080 wrote: » OKAY! Might be a boards glitch. Talk later, today is for sport.... soccer ,racing and rugby!
Batattackrat wrote: » Never going to happen, i worked in Belfast for years. I kept neutral when asked about it and just said i don't give a ****. Its generations and generations, neither side will ever give in.
circadian wrote: » It's minorities, it always has been.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » The violence is a minority. But the feelings behind it ....are much more than that. There are many many more people who FEEL like that there. Its still very divided.
circadian wrote: » I'm from the North. I know many on both sides, including family. The resentment isn't as widespread as it was previously and largely, people just want to get on with life.
dd973 wrote: » It's odd how thousands of U.K citizens live happily in the ROI yet it's obvious these Loyalists/Unionists will never be happy here even after being here for generations. They seem to hate Ireland and Irish people and culture but are strident about living here, if I lived in France but hated France and the French I'd just leave.
Five Eighth wrote: » It's often said that you get the political representation that you deserve. While we have had many gob****e and corrupt politicians, NI unionism seems to have a talent for producing the most dislikeable of characters. It is their leaders who are the ambassadors for those in NI who define themselves as British. I wonder do they ever consider how they are perceived as a people throughout the world? How come they cannot produce a relatable leader such as Naomi Long? Here is a woman, who I believe has unionist leanings but is respectful in tone and speaks sense.
plibige wrote: » You asked for fairness But you also want to be treated like a non eu member. Then kick up a fuss because we treat someone trying to bring a dog in from a non eu member the way we would treat a dog coming from Cameroon, or Uruguay or Thailand? If the EU stopped exporting vaccines to the uk (which would just be doing what the uk done to the eu) then you wouldn't have half the population you have vaccinated. So in summary, do you want us to treat you like Sudan, Tuvalu and Peru? Therefore get your dog vaccinated before you try bring it into our customs union. British exceptionalism means nothing in 2021. If you want to take a dig at are vaccine program, i'd hope you are self sufficient (you aren't)
overshoot wrote: » Its the Uk, or more accurately GB who left and diverged from the standards implemented up to last year. You wanted to be a third country and now you are, or at least GB is as you wanted different rules. The EU is under no obligation to align itself to the rules and regulations the UK wanted IF it even knew what it wanted, and as a far bigger trading/economic block and has much less incentive. Would you expect the USA to change for you? This is the reality of Brexit, its as fair as it is to every other country in the world, its not a punishment, GB is just on the outside of it as England & Wales voted for. I would say what isnt fair is that Boris cut off a piece of his country to get the Brexit another part of the UK wanted, but I cant see you ever sharing that view as it naturally questions the two way relationship of the Union rather than the easier option of blame someone else.
Lucy8080 wrote: » You have succeeded in misleading yourself and by extension your Wife. The P.U.L. community need to take responsibility for what kicked off this week and start asking questions within their own community about who is failing to represent them. It has nothing to do with "themun's" That said, with buses being hi-jacked and petrol bombed, the P.S.N.I. must have felt no choice but to release some baton rounds in the interest of saving life/property. It was rioters from the P.U.L. community that rushed the peace wall. I never want to see anything more lethal than a water cannon used against any kid on either side. But, tell your wife...the baton rounds were discharged against the community that Hi-Jacked and petrol bombed a bus. That petrol bombing/Hi-Jacking was caught on T.V. The P.S.N.I. still took a softly /softly approach. God only knows what the P.S.N.I. were dealing with off camera. No baton rounds were fired into Catholic/Republican/Nationalist areas. No buses were hi-Jacked in those areas either. It was P.U.L. adults/kids who went looking to provoke more trouble by attacking the peace wall/divide (looking for a reaction). I'll take water cannon all day if that helps dampen the enthusiasm for violence on both sides. But, the P.U.L. side must take responsibilty for putting their own children in a situation that leads to the P.S.N.I . feeling baton rounds need to be fired. Back to my first point, you saw water cannon being used ,but did not acknowledge that baton rounds had been used too ( and not against "Nationalists"). At least be honest with yourself (and your wife) about who got the batons fired at them (This Week)!
downcow wrote: » This is nonsense. The dog is moving within the UK. It is not entering the Eu. The vaccines are as they are because we are not in the Eu and our government did not get smothered in Eu red tape and got them ordered early. And are you proposing the Eu adopt a policy of not exporting?
FrancieBrady wrote: » It's easy to over exaggerate what is happening, this is Belfast this morning. People with agendas will manipulate these youths for political ends. The vast majority are not in conflict.https://twitter.com/LauraNoonanFT/status/1380797540325548032
Seth Brundle wrote: » 1. The UK was operating under EU rules during the Transition Period when it procured it's vaccines from AZ. Brexit had nothing to do with the vaccine procurement. Ireland for example could have ordered our own just like the UK but chose not to as a small country woukd not have been placed high up the queue. 2. The EU ordered from AZ before the UK. 3. The EU is behind in terms of vaccinations partly because AZ failed to meet its contractual obligations but also because we followed a plan of reciprocal exports. As it happens the UK and US did not reciprocate. Much of the UK vaccines came from the EU so yes we should stop the exports until such time as we receive some back.
downcow wrote: » I can’t reflect the nationalist feelings but I can reflect the rural unionist position and feelings are strong and widespread
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