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Belfast Disturbances

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So approaching a disjointed marching season in North of Ireland for a second year running, Sandyrow and The waterside in Derry have now erupted with violent clashes.

Sandyrow seen officers injured and it is being blamed on the Irish sea border, within the community it seems the Royal bar leadership were arching up the tensions the past few weeks with banners at the front of the bar.

Is the LCC committed to non violent means or is it more Smoke and mirrors from the UDA and UVF. Donegal pass under the UVF and Sandyrow both came to a standstill last night.

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Lucy8080

Am I /you noticing that boards is quoting your words as " originally posted by me", and my words as " originally posted by you" ?

It's disconcerting ( and kinda funny).

ILoveYourVibes

Lucy8080 wrote: »

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Are you sure about that?

"Batons and Cannons" both fired "ONLY" in nationalist areas? I'll take correction if that is what has happened this week!

I will take correction too if I am wrong. But as far as I can tell yes.

I can only find reference to attack dogs canons and plastic bullets in relation to springfield and says the canon was used against nationalist youths.

I can't find evidence it was used on loyalists.

Also it was an actual loyalist who told me about the attack dogs in springfield.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/04/10/news/concerns-raised-about-the-use-of-plastic-bullets-2283219/

But I will take correction if i have not come across it yet.

IMO plastic bullets should not be fired at ANYONE in the North.

We have seen how coming down hard goes wrong in the past.

If i am wrong its just because I have not come across it yet i dont mean to mislead anyone. So if people have further info please put it here.

Lucy8080

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Batons and canons both fired ONLY in nationalist areas.

That is definite two tier policing.

And yes we need these kids off the street. And those adults in charge of them should be ashamed.

Are you sure about that?

"Batons and Cannons" both fired "ONLY" in nationalist areas? I'll take correction if that is what has happened this week!

ILoveYourVibes

Lucy8080 wrote: »

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Batons or water? Get these kids off the streets , whatever community you feel you represent.

Attack dogs? The kids on these streets (both sides) have dogs that would eat anyone's dogs!

Batons and canons both fired ONLY in nationalist areas.

That is definite two tier policing.

And yes we need these kids off the street. And those adults in charge of them should be ashamed.

Lucy8080

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Lucy8080 wrote: »

They were fired at nationalists too. And they had attack dogs.

...the above quote is not mine, dunno what went wrong here ....I'm replying to "Ilyv" s words .
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Batons or water? Get these kids off the streets , whatever community you feel you represent.

Attack dogs? The kids on these streets (both sides) have dogs that would eat anyone's dogs!

ILoveYourVibes

Lucy8080 wrote: »

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Does anyone feel unease about the fact that unionists rioted for 6 nights and no water canons but nationalists riot for one and the PSNI used water canons on night one?

Would you rather water cannon fired at you or baton rounds?
I'm delighted that water cannon have been introduced into the situation.

Six baton rounds were fired this week on the streets of Belfast.

They were fired at nationalists too. And they had attack dogs.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/04/10/news/concerns-raised-about-the-use-of-plastic-bullets-2283219/

Are these those you are referring to?

Lucy8080

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Does anyone feel unease about the fact that unionists rioted for 6 nights and no water canons but nationalists riot for one and the PSNI used water canons on night one?

Would you rather water cannon fired at you or baton rounds?
I'm delighted that water cannon have been introduced into the situation.

Six baton rounds were fired this week on the streets of Belfast.

ILoveYourVibes

Does anyone feel unease about the fact that unionists rioted for 6 nights and no water canons but nationalists riot for one and the PSNI used water canons on night one?

Also the PSNI say a lot of this is to do with the fact that they recently clamped down on Unionist drug gangs of late.

[Deleted User]

downcow wrote: »

I tiny little bit of fairness was all that was required.
Only check what’s necessary and stop the nonsense. Accept UK is left and stop using ni issue to try and punish UK.
My daughter wants to come over from Scotland next month but she will have to get her dog vaccinated for rabies first. Mad.
If Eu would sort out covid vaccines instead of worrying about my daughters dog having rabies.

Your daughter wouldn't have to have that done if the DUP hadn't nuked the Backstop. Stop whinging about the EU and start asking questions about why your own community went full retard with Brexit. They could not have played their hand any worse.

Unionists went against the rest of the UK's wishes regarding a measure that secured their position within the UK. It was senseless vandalism against your own state.

Lucy8080

lawred2 wrote: »

I said to my wife earlier in the week to wait and see how the PSNI reacts if similar carry on kicks off in a nationalist area..

Being British she didn't quite believe me.

She sees it now.

You have succeeded in misleading yourself and by extension your Wife.

The P.U.L. community need to take responsibility for what kicked off this week and start asking questions within their own community about who is failing to represent them. It has nothing to do with "themun's"

That said, with buses being hi-jacked and petrol bombed, the P.S.N.I. must have felt no choice but to release some baton rounds in the interest of saving life/property.

It was rioters from the P.U.L. community that rushed the peace wall.

I never want to see anything more lethal than a water cannon used against any kid on either side.

But, tell your wife...the baton rounds were discharged against the community that Hi-Jacked and petrol bombed a bus. That petrol bombing/Hi-Jacking was caught on T.V.

The P.S.N.I. still took a softly /softly approach.

God only knows what the P.S.N.I. were dealing with off camera.

No baton rounds were fired into Catholic/Republican/Nationalist areas. No buses were hi-Jacked in those areas either. It was P.U.L. adults/kids who went looking to provoke more trouble by attacking the peace wall/divide (looking for a reaction).

I'll take water cannon all day if that helps dampen the enthusiasm for violence on both sides.

But, the P.U.L. side must take responsibilty for putting their own children in a situation that leads to the P.S.N.I . feeling baton rounds need to be fired.

Back to my first point, you saw water cannon being used ,but did not acknowledge that baton rounds had been used too ( and not against "Nationalists").

At least be honest with yourself (and your wife) about who got the batons fired at them (This Week)!

[Deleted User]

RobMc59 wrote: »

We all see our own country and its history differently to how we're viewed around the world. (Irish people do this too imo)British people are generally proud of their country's identity and history although many are aware there have been some shameful episodes in that history.This is probably the same for all countries that had a colonial past.

Ye have an awful history, constant disgrace. You think ye had ‘some’ shameful episodes??? British people should never be proud of their country’s terrible history. People shouldn’t feel guilty about things that happened before they were born, but being proud of British history is outrageous. Sick, really.

Seth Brundle

downcow wrote: »

Don’t know what you are talking about

Really?
The DUP ignored the will of the people of NI, their electorate, in terms of Brexit.
The border down the Irish sea was the only solution the UK government could come up with after the DUP scuppered May's plan to have all of the UK in the Customs Union.

overshoot

downcow wrote: »

I tiny little bit of fairness was all that was required.
Only check what’s necessary and stop the nonsense. Accept UK is left and stop using ni issue to try and punish UK.
My daughter wants to come over from Scotland next month but she will have to get her dog vaccinated for rabies first. Mad.
If Eu would sort out covid vaccines instead of worrying about my daughters dog having rabies.

Its the Uk, or more accurately GB who left and diverged from the standards implemented up to last year. You wanted to be a third country and now you are, or at least GB is as you wanted different rules. The EU is under no obligation to align itself to the rules and regulations the UK wanted IF it even knew what it wanted, and as a far bigger trading/economic block and has much less incentive. Would you expect the USA to change for you? This is the reality of Brexit, its as fair as it is to every other country in the world, its not a punishment, GB is just on the outside of it as England & Wales voted for.

I would say what isnt fair is that Boris cut off a piece of his country to get the Brexit another part of the UK wanted, but I cant see you ever sharing that view as it naturally questions the two way relationship of the Union rather than the easier option of blame someone else.

plibige

downcow wrote: »

I tiny little bit of fairness was all that was required.
Only check what’s necessary and stop the nonsense. Accept UK is left and stop using ni issue to try and punish UK.
My daughter wants to come over from Scotland next month but she will have to get her dog vaccinated for rabies first. Mad.
If Eu would sort out covid vaccines instead of worrying about my daughters dog having rabies.

You asked for fairness

But you also want to be treated like a non eu member.

Then kick up a fuss because we treat someone trying to bring a dog in from a non eu member the way we would treat a dog coming from Cameroon, or Uruguay or Thailand?

If the EU stopped exporting vaccines to the uk (which would just be doing what the uk done to the eu) then you wouldn't have half the population you have vaccinated.

So in summary, do you want us to treat you like Sudan, Tuvalu and Peru? Therefore get your dog vaccinated before you try bring it into our customs union. British exceptionalism means nothing in 2021.

If you want to take a dig at are vaccine program, i'd hope you are self sufficient (you aren't)

O'Neill

Five Eighth wrote: »

It's often said that you get the political representation that you deserve. While we have had many gob****e and corrupt politicians, NI unionism seems to have a talent for producing the most dislikeable of characters. It is their leaders who are the ambassadors for those in NI who define themselves as British. I wonder do they ever consider how they are perceived as a people throughout the world? How come they cannot produce a relatable leader such as Naomi Long? Here is a woman, who I believe has unionist leanings but is respectful in tone and speaks sense.

Not an Aliance voter but she's undoubtly our best politician by a country mile. Pity no one has taken over the mantle that David Irvine left. Linda Irvine has been excellent work in 'PUL' communities with the Irish language.

RandomViewer

dd973 wrote: »

It's odd how thousands of U.K citizens live happily in the ROI yet it's obvious these Loyalists/Unionists will never be happy here even after being here for generations. They seem to hate Ireland and Irish people and culture but are strident about living here, if I lived in France but hated France and the French I'd just leave.

It's really a regressive cult, pining for an ascendancy that never really was, they instill hatred into their children from birth at the same time holding them back from proper employment and education

Batattackrat

nullzero wrote: »

Sometimes I'm just so glad we don't have you lot as part of our country.

Both sides up there need to grow the hell up, like school children ratting on each other. Pathetic.

Never going to happen, i worked in Belfast for years.

I kept neutral when asked about it and just said i don't give a ****.

Its generations and generations, neither side will ever give in.

dd973

It's odd how thousands of U.K citizens live happily in the ROI yet it's obvious these Loyalists/Unionists will never be happy here even after being here for generations. They seem to hate Ireland and Irish people and culture but are strident about living here, if I lived in France but hated France and the French I'd just leave.

briany

downcow wrote: »

I tiny little bit of fairness was all that was required.
Only check what’s necessary and stop the nonsense. Accept UK is left and stop using ni issue to try and punish UK.
My daughter wants to come over from Scotland next month but she will have to get her dog vaccinated for rabies first. Mad.
If Eu would sort out covid vaccines instead of worrying about my daughters dog having rabies.

The idea of the EU trying to punish the UK for leaving is something that keeps on popping up throughout the Brexit saga, but it's also been applied to, for example, the concept of the UK paying a 'divorce bill' has been painted by UK tabloids as being the EU being petty, but that's a lump sum that was agreed to be paid as part of the UK settling up on its membership dues, essentially.

Every time the UK has been reminded that leaving the EU could give rise to complications, it's been called 'project fear'. The idea that leaving the EU would create a trading frontier with an EU country and complicate the GFA was barely even raised in the Brexit debate, and when it did become an issue, it was just the EU using what it could to keep the UK tied up. Yeah, OK.

But it remains a fact of international relations that you cannot not have a customs border between trading blocs that are too far apart on standards, and anyone could see that would create a problem for NI, where the appearance of such a border would undermine the GFA.

So, we are where we are. I'd much prefer the situation pre-2016, overall. I'll admit the decline in value of the British pound was nice for buying stuff from Amazon, but apart from that, it's all a bit crap.

RandomViewer

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sorted.

More pressure after 5 pints of Heineken

Five Eighth

It's often said that you get the political representation that you deserve. While we have had many gob****e and corrupt politicians, NI unionism seems to have a talent for producing the most dislikeable of characters. It is their leaders who are the ambassadors for those in NI who define themselves as British. I wonder do they ever consider how they are perceived as a people throughout the world? How come they cannot produce a relatable leader such as Naomi Long? Here is a woman, who I believe has unionist leanings but is respectful in tone and speaks sense.

batman75

downcow wrote: »

Here is what kicked it off. Republicans caught on video attacking tigers bay when all was calm. Tigers bay is now a bit mad https://mobile.twitter.com/JonnySwift97

The content of that video shows nothing that justifies the mayhem your loyalists brethern are bringing to the streets of Belfast.

downcow

briany wrote: »

As I've said before, Brexit as envisioned by the likes of the ERG is incompatible with the GFA because the divergence in standards desired necessitates that a border must go somewhere and will mean that either British Unionists or Irish Nationalists will be unhappy to some extent, and this is exactly what has happened.

If you have a solution to the current unrest that keeps both sides equally happy and feeling like their end of the GFA is being upheld, then please share it.

I tiny little bit of fairness was all that was required.
Only check what’s necessary and stop the nonsense. Accept UK is left and stop using ni issue to try and punish UK.
My daughter wants to come over from Scotland next month but she will have to get her dog vaccinated for rabies first. Mad.
If Eu would sort out covid vaccines instead of worrying about my daughters dog having rabies.

Frank Bullitt

downcow wrote: »

Here is what kicked it off. Republicans caught on video attacking tigers bay when all was calm. Tigers bay is now a bit mad https://mobile.twitter.com/JonnySwift97

All that was was a video of a few youths running. That warrants throwing petrol bombs?

RandomViewer

downcow wrote: »

Here is what kicked it off. Republicans caught on video attacking tigers bay when all was calm. Tigers bay is now a bit mad https://mobile.twitter.com/JonnySwift97

Fantasist mammys boy, if someone farted loudly in the bogside PSNI would be calling bomb

briany

downcow wrote: »

There is an agreement gfa. Irish Sea border is not compatible with it. Therefore no vote required unless everything on the gfa is up for grabs again.

As I've said before, Brexit as envisioned by the likes of the ERG is incompatible with the GFA because the divergence in standards desired necessitates that a border must go somewhere and will mean that either British Unionists or Irish Nationalists will be unhappy to some extent, and this is exactly what has happened.

If you have a solution to the current unrest that keeps both sides equally happy and feeling like their end of the GFA is being upheld, then please share it.

nullzero

downcow wrote: »

Here is what kicked it off. Republicans caught on video attacking tigers bay when all was calm. Tigers bay is now a bit mad https://mobile.twitter.com/JonnySwift97

Sometimes I'm just so glad we don't have you lot as part of our country.

Both sides up there need to grow the hell up, like school children ratting on each other. Pathetic.

downcow

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SMurphyTV/status/1380619934649159691

So much for that calm for Prince Philip.

Here is what kicked it off. Republicans caught on video attacking tigers bay when all was calm. Tigers bay is now a bit mad https://mobile.twitter.com/JonnySwift97

[Deleted User]

It was the Unionists and allied RUC who started the original Troubles by attacking the peaceful civil rights marchers of People's Democracy in January 1969, and then bombing water facilities in March 1969. They are now threatening to launch the Troubles 2.0 by withdrawing from the GFA and rioting on the streets.

Jinglejangle69

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They got a loan of the PSNI water cannon in 2004...

https://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0501/49656-eu1/

Sorted.