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Belfast Disturbances

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So approaching a disjointed marching season in North of Ireland for a second year running, Sandyrow and The waterside in Derry have now erupted with violent clashes.

Sandyrow seen officers injured and it is being blamed on the Irish sea border, within the community it seems the Royal bar leadership were arching up the tensions the past few weeks with banners at the front of the bar.

Is the LCC committed to non violent means or is it more Smoke and mirrors from the UDA and UVF. Donegal pass under the UVF and Sandyrow both came to a standstill last night.

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Fr D Maugire

downcow wrote: »

Why do you think our people changed their position on eg home rule?
Sunningdale was very different than gfa so I’m not sure who the slow learner was

Very simple, paranoia, bigotry and intolerance.

JohnMcm1

PokeHerKing wrote: »

It would not be civil war. Population wise it would essentially be the entire island against Antrim. It would be a very easily contained tantrum.

No it wouldn't it would begin as a tit for tat battle between smooth brain loyalists and nationalists and escalate very rapidly I fear.

PokeHerKing

JohnMcm1 wrote: »

No it wouldn't it would begin as a tit for tat battle between smooth brain loyalists and nationalists and escalate very rapidly I fear.

Youre not thinking rationally. You appear to be applying the troubles in reverse and getting the same result even though the playing field is different, the ball is a different shape amd theres no fans at the match.

Dyr

BluePlanet wrote: »

How are they going to bankroll a civil war?
Where are they going to buy weapons as the British will no longer be assisting them.
What's their actual support base besides a couple geographically small enclaves?
It's totally unsustainable.

Theres an absolute shed load of legally held arms up North, mostly shotguns and rifles. Even without them the loyalists would mostly be looking at their old tricks of massacaring civilians with a few new twists inherited from the new wave of far right nutters, driving into crowds in trucks, planting nail bombs

Firm measures would be required.

downcow

McMurphy wrote: »

Remember this?

What double talk

You say your British, I agree you're British, and have never once (since you originally asked me this morning) denied your Britishness:

Apologies for misunderstanding you. This is crystal clear and unambiguous Thank you

McMurphy

downcow wrote: »

Apologies for misunderstanding you. This is crystal clear and unambiguous Thank you

Fair enough cheers.

BluePlanet

JohnMcm1 wrote: »

No it wouldn't it would begin as a tit for tat battle between smooth brain loyalists and nationalists and escalate very rapidly I fear.

Look after a UI vote numerous stake holders are all on the same side: British Government, Irish Government, all their security and intelligence services and police services and all Republican groups, not to mention USA.
All striving for a peaceful transition to a UI.

It would an major international embarrassment for the UK if we see a bunch of Loyalist goons waving British flags, running riot to try to thwart the democratic will of the people for a UI.

I would expect the British government and intelligence services to do their due diligence and keep their useful idiots in NI in check.

BluePlanet

Bambi wrote: »

Theres an absolute shed load of legally held arms up North, mostly shotguns and rifles. Even without them the loyalists would mostly be looking at their old tricks of massacaring civilians with a few new twists inherited from the new wave of far right nutters, driving into crowds in trucks, planting nail bombs

Firm measures would be required.

I agree but none of that amounts to a Civil War.

batman75

Dismayed to see water cannons used on nationalist youths rioting last night. It speaks of a continued state inequality in how Catholics and Protestants are treated. Fine if everybody gets the water treatment. It also feeds into unionist beliefs of superiority and that Catholics are the great unwashed. Disgusting.

RandomViewer

Bambi wrote: »

Theres an absolute shed load of legally held arms up North, mostly shotguns and rifles. Even without them the loyalists would mostly be looking at their old tricks of massacaring civilians with a few new twists inherited from the new wave of far right nutters, driving into crowds in trucks, planting nail bombs

Firm measures would be required.

Sawn off versus an AK47, Grandads Webley versus a Glock, pipebomb versus drones, US arms dealers will be wanting to see their latest catalogue in action

jimmycrackcorm

It certainly will be very telling if the riots continue following the death of a royal.

steddyeddy

McMurphy wrote: »

Fair enough cheers.

Get a room you two!

McMurphy

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It certainly will be very telling if the riots continue following the death of a royal.

Loyalist housing estates seem to have called off their scrotes for the meantime.

Great going considering the protests are not organised.

RandomViewer

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It certainly will be very telling if the riots continue following the death of a royal.

He's only an inlaw, dont think it'll make any difference

Lucy8080

batman75 wrote: »

Dismayed to see water cannons used on nationalist youths rioting last night. It speaks of a continued state inequality in how Catholics and Protestants are treated. Fine if everybody gets the water treatment. It also feeds into unionist beliefs of superiority and that Catholics are the great unwashed. Disgusting.

I believe the P.S.N.I. reported using six baton rounds( not sure what the official name they now use) the night(s) before on the Shankill side. Water Cannon is used when the threat level to life/property is less corcerning.

Don't think we can judge this as inequality in policing both sides. Water cannon was judged sufficient last night.

Baton rounds tend to be a last resort.

ulster

McMurphy wrote: »

Loyalist housing estates seem to have called off their scrotes for the meantime.

I had a good laugh reading that.

Hamsterchops

Good for you :rolleyes:

Del.Monte

BluePlanet wrote: »

Look after a UI vote numerous stake holders are all on the same side: British Government, Irish Government, all their security and intelligence services and police services and all Republican groups, not to mention USA.
All striving for a peaceful transition to a UI.

It would an major international embarrassment for the UK if we see a bunch of Loyalist goons waving British flags, running riot to try to thwart the democratic will of the people for a UI.

I would expect the British government and intelligence services to do their due diligence and keep their useful idiots in NI in check.

And what if there was a border poll and the result was NO to a United Ireland, would we be asked to vote every couple of years until the result is YES like that rabble in the SNP want for their backwater? :rolleyes:

Seth Brundle

McMurphy wrote: »

Loyalist housing estates seem to have called off their scrotes for the meantime.

https://i.postimg.cc/tTHRgC5v/IMG-20210409-174330.jpg

...so much for the claims that the protests hadn't been organised :rolleyes:

Kermit.de.frog

McMurphy wrote: »

Loyalist housing estates seem to have called off their scrotes for the meantime.

Is it April 1st? I'm sure it's not April 1st. Could be wrong.

lawred2

batman75 wrote: »

Dismayed to see water cannons used on nationalist youths rioting last night. It speaks of a continued state inequality in how Catholics and Protestants are treated. Fine if everybody gets the water treatment. It also feeds into unionist beliefs of superiority and that Catholics are the great unwashed. Disgusting.

I said to my wife earlier in the week to wait and see how the PSNI reacts if similar carry on kicks off in a nationalist area..

Being British she didn't quite believe me.

She sees it now.

Del.Monte

lawred2 wrote: »

I said to my wife earlier in the week to wait and see how the PSNI reacts if similar carry on kicks off in a nationalist area..

Being British she didn't quite believe me.

She sees it now.

Don't forget to show your wife this report of baton rounds being used against loyalist rioters or would that not sit comfortably with your agenda.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/ni-street-violence-bus-driver-at-centre-of-hijacking-is-badly-shaken-and-will-need-time-before-returning-to-work-six-baton-rounds-fired-at-rioters-by-psni-brandon-lewis-flies-in-for-emergency-talks-over-rioting-3192990

maccored

Del.Monte wrote: »

Don't forget to show your wife this report of baton rounds being used against loyalist rioters or would that not sit comfortably with your agenda.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/ni-street-violence-bus-driver-at-centre-of-hijacking-is-badly-shaken-and-will-need-time-before-returning-to-work-six-baton-rounds-fired-at-rioters-by-psni-brandon-lewis-flies-in-for-emergency-talks-over-rioting-3192990

wow, 6 whole rounds.

Junkyard Tom

Del.Monte wrote: »

And what if there was a border poll and the result was NO to a United Ireland, would we be asked to vote every couple of years until the result is YES

Yes because the British state will remain an existential threat to the Irish people while it has a foothold on our island.

10000maniacs

McMurphy wrote: »

Loyalist housing estates seem to have called off their scrotes for the meantime.

Even the scrotes have a moral code. Lets refrain from tearing the guts out of our community for a few days because Philip has died.
But in a few days we will resume doing it.

igCorcaigh

10000maniacs wrote: »

Even the scrotes have a moral code. Lets refrain from tearing the guts out of our community for a few days because Philip has died.
But in a few days we will resume doing it.

Injustices... Christ.

[Deleted User]

10000maniacs wrote: »

Even the scrotes have a moral code. Lets refrain from tearing the guts out of our community for a few days because Philip has died.
But in a few days we will resume doing it.

LOL. Great bunch of lads

Tell me how

'One of the main principles of Loyalism is Loyalty to the crown'

That's the only principle of loyalism.

Hamsterchops

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Yes because the British state will remain an existential threat to the Irish people while it has a foothold on our island.

An existential threat to the Irish people

Really?

trashcan

Fr D Maugire wrote: »

But historically, this idea of being British has less to do with being loyal to Britain than it had to do with not being associated with anything considered Catholic. The idea of Britishness over Irishness only really increased as Catholics in Ireland started to gain equal rights. That is why Unionism is built on nothing more than religious bigotry and intolerance and the OO has played a huge part in pushing that agenda.

That has always been my take on it too. Much more to do with keeping themselves apart from the rest of the island than anything else.