Finty Lemon wrote: » Tumbleweed. Maybe the lads didn't realise.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Do you understand what the phrase 'born out of' means? The men and women responsible for using violence went on to form FF and FG.
The modern IRA were doing the exact same thing.
markodaly wrote: » Again, the riots have nothing to do with FF and FG. Stop trying to derail the thread.{/QUOTE] Who said they did? No they didnt. The old IRA didnt bomb civilian areas en mass, they didn't beat children to death, they didnt blow up and murder toddlers, they didnt rape women and then setup kangaroo courts as justice. Even Tom Barry was disgusted and ashamed of the actions of the PIRA at the end, as was much of Ireland. The PIRA was more like ISIS than the old IRA.
FrancieBrady wrote: » This is like the debate about terrorism. There isno difference between being bombed from fancy aircraft at 10,000 feet and a carbomb...if you are the target. You are being 'terrorised'.
Same with the semantics about the old IRA and new IRA, both of them killed to achieve an aim. One achieved something you benefitted from and the other achieved something others feel they benefitted from. Pointless to continue arguing when that is the reality on this island.
markodaly wrote: » Correct me if I am wrong the BA or RAF didn't carpet bomb the North. The PIRA bombed the bejesus out of the North. Odd point to make, but the usual diversionary tactic being deployed here. Ah yea, lets not actually talk about the methods and tactics of the PIRA.... :pac: Best thing you can do here is run away from that converstaion. When Tom Barry feels the PIRA has gone too far, then its best to pay attention. The older IRA were nothing like the PIRA. Very far removed in fact.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Your 'noble freedom fighters' used violence in just the same way as the IRA used it. The IRA didn't originate violence or warfare.
blanch152 wrote: » No, we want him to tell the PSNI the identities of the people who told him the IRA were not involved, it is as simple as that. I cannot envisage any politician down here refusing to do this in similar circumstances. Truly, Sinn Fein cannot be a normal party if they allow this kind of behaviour.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Correction - a senior member has information on who he spoke to. Unless you are claiming he witnessed the murder or was there? And the info he has is clearly not of any evidential use in securing a conviction. And I agree again, they are not a normal party, no party in the north is, having evolved out of a conflict/war.
Finty Lemon wrote: » TMcM. Oh sorry, that was murder, not rape
Finty Lemon wrote: » It was Liam Adams I was thinking about. Hard to keep track of who did what.
Finty Lemon wrote: » Who is Seamus Marley?
Finty Lemon wrote: » Who is Martin Morris?
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » To be fair to Murphy, I wouldn't blame him after what happened Donald Donaldson once Gerry Adams outed him. It's uncanny how similarly SF operate to the workers party of North Korea. Both have leaders that are appointed without opposition candidates, both have fanatic members, and to top it all, any party dissidents get knocked off.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » There are many cases where the Gardai get convictions based on information received from people who have spoken to the actual perpetrators. That's why they're called informants. Also Mind blowing that you finally admit SF aren't a normal party but can't quite suggest that they shouldn't be supported until they become one. Why support our defend a party that isn't normal when there is a plethora of others available to suit your taste?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I have always said they are not a normal party in the context of what they have come through.I was watching Twitter last night and saw them (SF members) out on the street trying o stop young people responding and putting themselves in harms way. Cant quite see many of our 'normal' politicians doing that, can you? BTW, I 'support' action not words as a general rule in my life.
blanch152 wrote: » Have to agree with you Francie as I can't see a normal political party putting itself about as a replacement for the legitimate democratic police force.
FrancieBrady wrote: » 'Replacement'? SF support the policing board blanch, unlike Unionists and others who have undermined that board because they didn't like a 'decision'. The PSNI asked for community leaders to get involved in ending the violence BTW.https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40259147.html
blanch152 wrote: » You can't have it both ways, Francie. You said in your previous post that they were out on the street trying to stop people. That is not what the PSNI asked for. That is not what normal political parties do (and another in a long list of Covid breaches by Sinn Fein). Sending SF thugs out on the street to police young people is not the right answer to anything.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I have always said they are not a normal party in the context of what they have come through. I was watching Twitter last night and saw them (SF members) out on the street trying o stop young people responding and putting themselves in harms way. Cant quite see many of our 'normal' politicians doing that, can you? BTW, I 'support' action not words as a general rule in my life.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Maybe if they hadn’t several thousand ‘magpies’ out on the road for the ‘funeral’ of a guy who spent 20 years in prison it might have cooled the situation. Couldn’t resist the big ‘send off’ for Bobby,and the big ‘ fuhhrke off’ to the police , and then they wonder why it all kicks off when they get away scot free. Complete deflection there Francis, in no way believable or valid. Your boys stepped out of line.... suck it up dude..... for once.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Don't think anyone is buying the 'it's all the shinners fault' line Brendi. Arlene made that mistake on the auld tweet machine and is being castigated left right and centre.
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Nick Robinson on R4 certainly doesn’t agree with you Francis. I’m afraid even you can’t weasel out of this one, a chara. Have a good day.
Deleted User wrote: » Didn’t have you down as a R4 listener, Brendan. More a Liveline and Country FM sort was my opinion.
Fionn1952 wrote: » Are we just going to ignore the fact that the rioting is being claimed as in response to the NI Protocol (likely most engaging in rioting don't understand the NI Protocol and are totally unimpacted by it, beyond a perceived sleight on their Britishness)? Suppose a few will be along to explain why that one is SF's fault too. A real root cause analysis would focus on the lack of opportunity seen by many working class Loyalist youths since the, 'jobs for the boys' type posts in H&W and the, 'my Da is in the RUC so I've a job waiting for me no matter what' careers have disappeared, with very little encouragement/focus on education (academic or otherwise) as a way out, the continued control Loyalist paramilitaries still have over these areas and their manipulation of said youths to allow them to keep their hands cleaner. It goes much, much deeper than trying to pin it on Bobby Storey's funeral (even if the rioters weren't claiming it was due to the NI protocol), and even if SF dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow and the NI Protocol was magically solved, it wouldn't fix a damn thing.
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