McMurphy wrote: » Fair enough cheers.
Bambi wrote: » Theres an absolute shed load of legally held arms up North, mostly shotguns and rifles. Even without them the loyalists would mostly be looking at their old tricks of massacaring civilians with a few new twists inherited from the new wave of far right nutters, driving into crowds in trucks, planting nail bombs Firm measures would be required.
JohnMcm1 wrote: » No it wouldn't it would begin as a tit for tat battle between smooth brain loyalists and nationalists and escalate very rapidly I fear.
downcow wrote: » Apologies for misunderstanding you. This is crystal clear and unambiguous Thank you
McMurphy wrote: » Remember this? What double talk You say your British, I agree you're British, and have never once (since you originally asked me this morning) denied your Britishness:
BluePlanet wrote: » How are they going to bankroll a civil war? Where are they going to buy weapons as the British will no longer be assisting them. What's their actual support base besides a couple geographically small enclaves? It's totally unsustainable.
PokeHerKing wrote: » It would not be civil war. Population wise it would essentially be the entire island against Antrim. It would be a very easily contained tantrum.
downcow wrote: » Why do you think our people changed their position on eg home rule? Sunningdale was very different than gfa so I’m not sure who the slow learner was
JohnMcm1 wrote: » A united Ireland..are you joking? The Loyalists would start a civil war over it. Personally i'd rather release the North into the sea, well clear of us.
RobMc59 wrote: » The Unionism you refer to is only one branch of Unionism.A person's religious persuasion is becoming less important to all of us. I have noticed there are many schools in Ireland now listed as 'multi denomination'.
downcow wrote: » ???
downcow wrote: » I couldn’t care less what you think I am. I am challenging your double talk. The reality is the opposite. You can refer to me as whatever you like, even irish. The fact is that I am legally british
downcow wrote: » Great observation. The problem is that posters like McM are using the term to goad my community by implying we are not brits McMurphy wrote: » Someone can identify as an Uzbek for all I care downcow, that's a lazy assumption on your part. You've as much right to identify as being British as Biden has to identify himself as Irish. It still doesn't take away from the fact the British Government couldn't give a dam about you and your loyalist and unionist neighbours, and the uncomfortable fact they did throw you under the bus at the first given opportunity, exactly as was forewarned to unionists from everyone and their dogs would happen. Take it up with them, not the Irish people who actually argued against Brexit and the predicament you now find yourselves in.
downcow wrote: » Great observation. The problem is that posters like McM are using the term to goad my community by implying we are not brits
McMurphy wrote: » Someone can identify as an Uzbek for all I care downcow, that's a lazy assumption on your part. You've as much right to identify as being British as Biden has to identify himself as Irish. It still doesn't take away from the fact the British Government couldn't give a dam about you and your loyalist and unionist neighbours, and the uncomfortable fact they did throw you under the bus at the first given opportunity, exactly as was forewarned to unionists from everyone and their dogs would happen. Take it up with them, not the Irish people who actually argued against Brexit and the predicament you now find yourselves in.
Zebra3 wrote: » Cardiff is one violent kip. And not just football related, but in general. Very ropey place for a night out.
downcow wrote: » I certainly do feel kinship with the mainland and English people I recently spent a holiday in Torquay and felt much more at home than a recent trip to Dublin. And I have found England to be the only set of supporters who 100% integrate with our supporters around internationals. Tbh I don’t remember playing the scots but games I have been at in Cardiff and Dublin have been tricky at times on the streets and pubs, no such issues when we have traveled to England.
McMurphy wrote: » Anytime you're ready down cow..cheers.
Sunny Disposition wrote: » Unionists do feel they are British, that's how it is, it's a funny kind of identity really, many of them accept that. They are well aware they are on the island of Ireland but are loyal to Britain for ancestral reasons, even though they don't feel much kinship with 'the mainland' especially with the English. I suppose all identity is a bit funny really. I don't see any problem with British identity in the north now anyway, it was different years ago when it was placed above Irish identity, but that's more of a legacy issue now. We still have streets and emblems named after monarchs, their emblems and statues up in Belfast but none of ours, but it's not like it used to be. One huge gripe among most nationalists is the absence of the Acht Gaeilge, the unionist opposition is a big part of what has made this so significant. We have a right to have our language recognised and supported, after centuries of it being downgraded. People who have lived in the South all along might see it as a small issue, some Unionists might also, but it really isn't.
McMurphy wrote: » What double talk You say your British, I agree you're British, and have never once (since you asked me this morning) denied your Britishness, or the right of yourself or anyone else to identify themselves as British. Here it is this morning where you asked me and I recognised your Britishness. I'm still saying you've as much right to identify as British now as I was then. Are you just trying to be contrary for the sake of it
Fr D Maugire wrote: » Well here is the thing, some 200+ years ago the ancestors of many of the modern British in NI saw themselves first and foremost as Irish. In fact it was they who recognised the mismanagement and corruption of the COI Parliament in Dublin who were answerable to London. They recognised that they would never be more than a secondary class nation as long as they were ultimately answerable to London and that is something that modern Unionist's don't seem to have to cottoned on to. It was the ancestors of the modern British in NI who first pushed for a Republic separate from Britain, the first to use Green as their colour, yet so much of that history has been simply ignored for the current 'we are British' only mythology. John Hume described the GFA as 'Sunningdale for Slow learners' which was aimed primarily at Unionists. The current situation of being screwed over by London is hardly surprising when they never learned the lessons from their ancestors of over 200 years ago. Slow learners indeed.
Fr D Maugire wrote: » But historically, this idea of being British has less to do with being loyal to Britain than it had to do with not being associated with anything considered Catholic. The idea of Britishness over Irishness only really increased as Catholics in Ireland started to gain equal rights. That is why Unionism is built on nothing more than religious bigotry and intolerance and the OO has played a huge part in pushing that agenda.
RandomViewer wrote: » Arlene's ancesters were Irish Catholic, how can she even claim Britishness
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