FrancieBrady wrote: » The point about Ian Paisley's journey, was separate to the point about the Orange Order as was the point about Unionists behaving themselves on the 12th. You made a boo boo, don't seem to know your own culture's history. Twice today you have been wrong on the history. Your problem not mine.
Tell me how wrote: » This is what Arlene and Sammy et al. begged so much to remain a part of.
downcow wrote: » Ok you a factually correct on this point but you are completely wrong on you original point that he moved away from the institution because he had became moderate. What were other posters meant to think. He left the orange 60 years ago because it was too moderate for him. A very different story than you were spinning
downcow wrote: » Ian paisley senior was never in the Orange so I don’t know how he would move away from it
RandomViewer wrote: » Hate is a very Irish thing, I know of feuds between neighbours that have gone on for 3 and 4 generations, its nearly always about land and this is no different
Seth Brundle wrote: » A few minutes ago you weren't aware that he was even in the organisation. Maybe you should inform yourself before you make any more bold claims!
downcow wrote: » He left it in 1962. And I am not aware of the prominent office he held
Tyrone212 wrote: » A lack of education and prospects is a big cause of it. Education is largely segregated in the North. Catholics are out performing Protestant students. A higher % of Catholics are attending third level education. A higher % of Protestant youths are unemployed. A lack of education, in poor run down areas results in disaffected youths being easily manipulated. Blame the other ones for their problems. Which suits the DUP down to the ground.
FileNotFound wrote: » Crazy to most of us altogether, yet the hate up there is very real. Really have to say, watching this would take away any real interest in unification for me. Need to allow these sentiments to die a bit first. Then again their entire political system helps maintain the hate. Sad really.
McMurphy wrote: » You said "he was never in" the orange order. Yes he was most definitely, in fact he was a fairly prominent member of it. Stop trying to muddy the waters with whether he was or was not when the photos were taken, I never said he was, but the world and his dog knows Paisley was a one time prominent and controversial member of the orange order FFS, (except seemingly you). You seem to be way behind on loyalism and unionism on certain key events and moments downcow.
overshoot wrote: » David Trimble sent a letter to Teresa May before her agreement was ever reached saying : 1-any land border with NI\ROI would violate the good Friday agreement and Vienna Convention 2-Any sea border would violate the act of union. How is this conundrum going to be solved? I'm not aware of any reply. Any talk of this prior to the vote was shouted down with technology, non issue, in fact the DUP are still saying technology but if that exists why is a sea border an issue? No one sleeped walked into anything, they chose to ignoring it thinking they could steam roll little Ireland and when they found out they were actually dealing with the EU & US their two biggest trading partners, Boris, as Teresa did cut the north off to solve the international aspect so England could have it's brexit. Brexit created the problem, not the Irish protocol.
downcow wrote: » What’s your point Mc Murphy. He was not a member of the orange order during the time if either of those pictures.
Lollipop95 wrote: » It’s sad, but also fascinating how the bitterness is passed down from generation to generation
O'Neill wrote: » Are you looking to just get a reaction or something. A minority of thugs like anywhere else doesn't sum up NI, but you alreay know that.
McMurphy wrote: » That was after they had brought the north to a standstill for days on end because the orange order, a purely sectarian and bigoted organisation, were being prevented from marching up the Garvaghy road, a Catholic area in Portadown. After a stalemate, the RUC and British Army intervened on the loyalists behalf, beat the Catholics off their own street leaving the orange order and loyalists to march up the road unhindered, by force. That photo was Trimble and Paisley literally holding hands and dancing up the road to taunt the Catholics. It's only 20 odd years ago but hard to fathom something like that would happen in Western Europe then.
6 wrote: » That paisley and trimble photo is surely etched on everyone's brain from that era. Disgraceful at the time tbh.
McMurphy wrote: » Oh dear....
FrancieBrady wrote: » The point was actually about the Orange Order AND Ian Paisley. But you are wrong again downcow, twice today, not good!https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/paisley-split-with-orange-order-over-members-attending-mass-38851187.html
RandomViewer wrote: » FG supporters having trouble accepting DUP incited rioting,
FrancieBrady wrote: » Apart from the fact they are the same people. :rolleyes:
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