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El_Duderino 09

Adamocovic wrote: »

I can’t see Vettel leaving unless things go Ferrari bad this year.

Surely if he has an enjoyable win he will be eager to race next year at a more level playing field. Just to test it out and see if he still has it.

If he has more weekends like his last outing I wouldn’t blame him from just riding off to the sunset.

True enough. I wonder about the team dynamics at AM. We know that everyone seemed to assume the Vettel’s treatment at Ferrari caused him to perform poorly. But we also know that Stroll was given preferential treatment over Perez last year (though nobody presumed that should lead to Perez performing similarly poorly to Vettel).

So if AM don’t treat Vettel as their No.1 will that also be a reason for Vettel to perform poorly? If Stroll gets an upgrade ahead of Perez I’d expect Perez to fight tooth an nail to overcome the disadvantage. If Stroll gets an upgrade over Vettel I’d expect the toys to fly out of the pram and lots of people to excuse any poor performance by Vettel

Adamocovic

I can’t see Vettel leaving unless things go Ferrari bad this year.

Surely if he has an enjoyable win he will be eager to race next year at a more level playing field. Just to test it out and see if he still has it.

If he has more weekends like his last outing I wouldn’t blame him from just riding off to the sunset.

El_Duderino 09

mickdw wrote: »

Its abit a of a throw of the dice from the hulk.
Gamble on vettel walking at end of an unsuccessful season and jumping into the race seat.

Yeah he’ll be 34 later this year so that is probably his last year with a serious chance of getting a drive again. Drivers like Gasley, Bottas, Perez might be coming available in then next couple of years. They would probably all get drives ahead of a 35 year old hulk.

I think anyone with a heart would like to see him get a decent car and be competitive.

mickdw

Its abit a of a throw of the dice from the hulk.
Gamble on vettel walking at end of an unsuccessful season and jumping into the race seat.

Frank Bullitt

barryribs wrote: »

Here's something I just found out about. When Flavio bought the Ligier team in 94, he gave one Michael Schumacher a run in the Ligier to see what he thought of the power unit for 95.

He tested a Sauber when he was with Ferrari as well.

f1-mugello-september-testing-1997-michael-schumacher-tests-the-sauber-petronas-c16-to-assi.jpg

f1-mugello-september-testing-1997-michael-schumacher-tests-the-sauber-petronas-c16-to-assi.jpg

LollipopJimmy

barryribs wrote: »

Here's something I just found out about. When Flavio bought the Ligier team in 94, he gave one Michael Schumacher a run in the Ligier to see what he thought of the power unit for 95.

https://i2.wp.com/essaar.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/PBDiLG8.jpg?fit=1024%2C673

God be with the days when teams could test as much as they wanted and even had full test teams

barryribs

Here's something I just found out about. When Flavio bought the Ligier team in 94, he gave one Michael Schumacher a run in the Ligier to see what he thought of the power unit for 95.

PBDiLG8.jpg?fit=1024%2C673

El_Duderino 09

duploelabs wrote: »

Depending on who had the racing line can dictate who was at fault, so potentially the car in front was in the wrong

Potentially. But nobody is seriously suggesting it was Ocon’s fault. I saw a poster who said it on the evening the race, but they haven’t tried to back up that position since then.

El_Duderino 09

barryribs wrote: »

I'd like to give the four time world champion, who has just joined a new team, who completed the fewest laps testing, till mid season before we write him off.

I wouldn’t write him off at all. But you can fairly describe his current and recent form as very poor. If he always drove like this, he wouldn’t have been a world champion.

LollipopJimmy

duploelabs wrote: »

Depending on who had the racing line can dictate who was at fault, so potentially the car in front was in the wrong

I wasn't writing him off, merely pointing out that Hulk being officially signed adds more pressure. However, Vettel was 100% to blame in that incident

duploelabs

muckwarrior wrote: »

Vettel ran into another car and blamed the other driver. If anything, you could say he's back on form :pac:

Depending on who had the racing line can dictate who was at fault, so potentially the car in front was in the wrong

muckwarrior

Vettel ran into another car and blamed the other driver. If anything, you could say he's back on form :pac:

Frank Bullitt

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Vettel is on a run of poor form for some time now, he's been a busted flush for a while.

A bit unfair on him. I am not a huge Vettel fan but he last won a race in 2019 (which was classic Vettel), and snatched a nice podium last year in a crazy race. You could also see his frustrations with Ferrari had boiled over, so it wasn't just on him.

barryribs

I'd like to give the four time world champion, who has just joined a new team, who completed the fewest laps testing, till mid season before we write him off.

LollipopJimmy

quokula wrote: »

Not really, he was already their de facto reserve since last year.

It's incredible to see the desperation some people have to write off Vettel on the basis of a single race where he couldn't do a qualifying lap because Mazepin spun in front of him meaning he had to race from the very back of the grid in an unfamiliar car that had broken down repeatedly in both testing and practice before he got any mileage in.

You could just as easily write Alonso off for getting a plastic bag stuck in his vent. There are plenty of races ahead.

Vettel is on a run of poor form for some time now, he's been a busted flush for a while.

El_Duderino 09

quokula wrote: »

Not really, he was already their de facto reserve since last year.

It's incredible to see the desperation some people have to write off Vettel on the basis of a single race where he couldn't do a qualifying lap because Mazepin spun in front of him meaning he had to race from the very back of the grid in an unfamiliar car that had broken down repeatedly in both testing and practice before he got any mileage in.

You could just as easily write Alonso off for getting a plastic bag stuck in his vent. There are plenty of races ahead.

That's not a fair comparison though, is it? Vettel is on a run of very poor form over the last 2-3 seasons and Alonso isn't. The race last week was unlucky for Vettel. He was doing a Perez-esque job of making the one stop strategy work, but then made a Vettel-esque balls up and ran into the back of anther car (and blamed them which appeared a bit desperate.

It was a mixed weekend for him but the balls-up was following a pattern, not a single, isolated event. How would you characterise his last two seasons before this, good or bad?

quokula

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

The Hulk has joined Aston Martin, bit more pressure on Seb now

Not really, he was already their de facto reserve since last year.

It's incredible to see the desperation some people have to write off Vettel on the basis of a single race where he couldn't do a qualifying lap because Mazepin spun in front of him meaning he had to race from the very back of the grid in an unfamiliar car that had broken down repeatedly in both testing and practice before he got any mileage in.

You could just as easily write Alonso off for getting a plastic bag stuck in his vent. There are plenty of races ahead.

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Highlights can be done properly but usually aren't. The short ones on YouTube seem good but then for no reason they'll skip a pitstop or 2 and you're left wondering wtf happened. Channel 4's highlights were 70-80% of the entire race but they'd often jump during a break, coming back with a shot of a car coming into the pits which would have a poor impact.

LollipopJimmy

The Hulk has joined Aston Martin, bit more pressure on Seb now

mickdw

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

So much can happen in a race as we know...and the timeline is quite important as to how the end result comes about. It'll be difficult for any broadcaster to convey the overall picture of events when they are not permitted to show more than 50% of the race coverage!

I agree but highlights do nothing for f1.
Typically you might just see both front running cars pitting and maybe the lead swapping but will have lost all the timeline of the stategy and the suspense re who was going to pit first etc.

Charlie-Bravo

mickdw wrote: »

Ive never yet seen an f1 highlights package that worked in terms of telling the real story of a race.

So much can happen in a race as we know...and the timeline is quite important as to how the end result comes about. It'll be difficult for any broadcaster to convey the overall picture of events when they are not permitted to show more than 50% of the race coverage!

barryribs

I would rather (and used to) watch a full race taped off the tv, than watch a highlights package

mickdw

eviltimeban wrote: »

Even I, an F1 fan since the 80s, struggle to pay attention over a full race length. So for new fans it must be harder.

That's where highlights shows are a good idea!

Ive never yet seen an f1 highlights package that worked in terms of telling the real story of a race.

eviltimeban

Basil3 wrote: »

They really have done well with DTS. I know a couple of girls in their mid-twenties who are mad into F1 now because of it. That said, I think they're more into the drama that comes with the show rather than the actual racing. One of them thought they were watching an F1 race live last weekend, when they were actually watching a replay of an F2 race

Even I, an F1 fan since the 80s, struggle to pay attention over a full race length. So for new fans it must be harder.

That's where highlights shows are a good idea!

El_Duderino 09

Report here that that sprint races have been agreed between the teams and are due to be announced.

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/63520/f1-sprint-races-set-to-be-confirmed-after-financial-deal-agreed/

The teams wanted extra money in the budget cap, but smaller teams objected so they came to a compromise of an additional 0.5m for three sprint races.

El_Duderino 09

Basil3 wrote: »

They really have done well with DTS. I know a couple of girls in their mid-twenties who are mad into F1 now because of it. That said, I think they're more into the drama that comes with the show rather than the actual racing. One of them thought they were watching an F1 race live last weekend, when they were actually watching a replay of an F2 race

Ha!

Well, everyone has to start somewhere. The traditional way to learn about f1 was to have your dad, or older brother or friends watching and then they tell you about it and teach you about it. Now DTS has introduced lots of people to it without ever having seen the racing yet. They need to be coached along.

It’s not a simple sport where anyone can follow without some guidance - who the good guys and bad guys are, for example.

[Deleted User]

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah, F1 never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. They had Drive to Survive which generated great interest amongst potential f1 fans, and then a great opening race (which would normally have been a very boring race in Melbourne) and then a three week gap to allow all those potential new fans to forget about it and lose track of when the next race will be.

They really have done well with DTS. I know a couple of girls in their mid-twenties who are mad into F1 now because of it. That said, I think they're more into the drama that comes with the show rather than the actual racing. One of them thought they were watching an F1 race live last weekend, when they were actually watching a replay of an F2 race

flazio

On the one hand, if Lewis wins it this year it increases the likelihood he won't be back next year, on the other if Max wins it Lewis comes back next year to prove a point.
What do I want to happen this year? *shrug*

AMKC

OSI wrote: »

Not exactly F1's fault. The Australian GP was supposed to be the week before Bahrain and the Chinese GP this weekend. Not really sure what they're supposed to do when the races are postponed at pretty short notice.

Why was the Chinese race cancelled? They seem to have Covid under control. Was it a fear if it coming back in again I wonder? A pity as I like the Chinese track. Always some good races there.

El_Duderino 09

OSI wrote: »

Not exactly F1's fault. The Australian GP was supposed to be the week before Bahrain and the Chinese GP this weekend. Not really sure what they're supposed to do when the races are postponed at pretty short notice.

True enough about the cancelations, but planning to have a boring Melbourne race as the first race of they year is already planning to miss an opportunity.