maccored wrote: » the past? the effects of brexit are happening now - thats not the past.
Nqp15hhu wrote: » Would you say it’s ridiculous if their was customs checks within the republic? No? It sounds as though you don’t respect the British identity in Northern Ireland.
Nqp15hhu wrote: » But so what about the past. It’s time to move on and work on helping NI.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » With all due respect I find your post unbelievable. You have no say because you are part of the UK that voted on the whole to leave the EU. And you have no say because the DUP fell in line with British nationalism. There was no other unionist voice because you don't vote for another unionist voice. If you feel Ian Paisley and Gregory campbell didn't represent you stop voting for racist corrupt politicians. Generally speaking men like those don't have your best interests at heart. As for smugness from Irish nationalists. I am Irish ..not a nationalist and I don't care whether there is a UI or not. It is all the same to me. I think you are simply perceiving frustration on behalf of the Irish as smugness. Btw the Irish cabinet and the Irish media is NOT ignoring this. Whereas the UK media is as they ignore EVERYTHING that happens in NI.
maccored wrote: » Did you vote for or against brexit? I dont get why - when the north voted against it, and the only people who are forcing this on you are those who voted for it that you can claim its because people hate unionism. the people who know unionism didnt want this. its the people in the rest of the UK - who dont know anything about unionism - that gave you brexit - which is what we're seeing now.
Nqp15hhu wrote: » Eugh people outside NI don’t look at this the way we do. They don’t think about the real world impact of the protocol, the loss of jobs, the loss of choice, the tariffs, the constant forms, the checks etc. They see it as a competition between Unionism and Nationalism and the U.K. and Europe. Real people on the ground are affected by this protocol. Continual blame and forcing the entire population of NI to suffer is wrong, and not the right approach. If you want to punish us, what does that say about you? That you HATE Unionism and want to cripple Northern Ireland.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » They are not fighting for a history they are fighting for their history of privilege. And in reality they are REALLY just fighting over the fact that goods coming from the uk have to go through customs checks before entering the north. Which is ridiculous. They need to wake up and realize most of the people on this island are not going away and learn to live with the reality of the situation.
Nqp15hhu wrote: » I am resistent to it because I don’t believe in trade barriers with the rest of my country. Some would definitely believe that it’s an attack on the British identity and Union. - We didn’t get to vote on it. - Unionist people weren’t consulted. - Irish cabinet and EU continually talked up Irish nationalist violence but now ignore this. - There are more checks between NI and GB than anywhere else at EU borders. - Many feel resentful at the smug remarks from nationalists and others. The current rhetoric is to talk this down. So basically to lie that the protocol has no impact. Well I have seen evidence working in retail, ordering online and shopping. I don’t like politicians who lie. I think what’s frustrating is the complete lack of flexibility and empathy from the EU on this. They don’t want to help us in NI at all. Despite the humgungous amount of trade. They will ignore this violence, but have used Irish nationalist violence to support this idea. I think many just feel that this has been brought in under our feet without any compromise or consultation from the community. I mean at the end of the day the conservatives decided on this, nobody else. I think if there was some efforts to limit the protocol, (not grace periods) and to try to and be more understanding to NI issues people on the ground might be more accepting. I know I would. However, at the moment I feel resentful.
igCorcaigh wrote: » A dangerous illusion. The conflict will never be solved by oppression. A community of people with a history they see worth fighting for is not 'a grouping'.
igCorcaigh wrote: » Well, exactly. Those loyal have never really trusted the government of the UK. Hence the siege mentality. Remember the strikes in the 70s? (the ones that brought down Stormont)
igCorcaigh wrote: » On the Unionist resistance to the NI protocol: Is it more of a symbolic problem rather than a practical one? Because they were all in support of some technology to get over the hard border issue. Is it a problem of a perceived weakening of the link with GB, or one that poses real risk to businesses? Or both?
Nqp15hhu wrote: » The NI Protocol was thrown on us. Nobody here voted for it or asked for it, no matter what you say.
igCorcaigh wrote: » Unionists in NI, sold out by Brexiteers and disinterested Tories. How else could it have been? A hard border was never acceptable to ROI or EU. What a mess
McMurphy wrote: » Sums up exactly what I've been asking for years ref a "threat of violence" from unionists in any UI. What, they're going to attack us because the Brits withdrew because of a democratic vote and international agreement? What will their aim be, to make a united Irish govt withdraw? To where? Will they attack HMG and security services in the perceived hope of reinvading, and partitioning the isle again? Fcuk sake, the dopes voted for what they have now, they were paramount in cheerleading Brexit, and despite everyone and their dogs warning they'd be shafted by Boris and co, they championed it anyway. Now they're kicking up a fuss about it because the Brits left them swinging? Eejits.
Hence the siege mentality.
maccored wrote: » who is oppressing the loyalists? 'loyalists' - who exist only to be loyal to the crown ... which is now shafting them. they need to rebrand.
maccored wrote: » Loyalists have relied on the likes of the PSNI and the British Army. Without their help, I doubt the loyalists could do much. They got away with a lot in the north over the years because blind eyes were turned and support, information (and government arms) were freely given - by the same people they are now rioting against. Death throes of a grouping going extinct
Patrick2010 wrote: » Imagine how this would kick off in the situation of a United Ireland, best leave them to sort it between themselves. We have enough problems ourselves to sort out.
Normal One wrote: » This is what Arlene & Co have been fanning the flames for over the last couple of months. I hope she's proud of herself.
