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Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

Keano

Time to discuss what golf is going to look like for next year, maybe more, who knows.

What is your club doing? What would you like to see happen?

Mod note: we have done to death the restrictions(5k jumping to 20k in June) so this is not a thread for discussing that topic, take it to COVID-19 forum

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finglashoop

RGS wrote: »

The non playing of competitions is the most idiotic suggestion I've seen.
There is no real difference between competitions and what's purposed by allowing players return cards for handicap purposes.

It's clear those in sport Ireland dont have a f**king clue about how golf is played.

golf ireland hardly covering themselves in glory here

RGS

finglashoop wrote: »

golf ireland hardly covering themselves in glory here

Maybe golf Ireland havent put the case properly but at the end of the day sport Ireland dictate the terms of return to play.

It's a serious indictment of both bodies that allowing golf for handicap purposes is seen as different to competition golf.

I would love to hear the rationale for not allowing competition golf.

Rikand

PLayed 6 holes today. It was lovely to get out.

Well, I didnt play. I walked the last 6 in Athlone and pretended that I had an imaginary set of clubs with me and "played" the course. I played pretty well too. 6 pars which is no mean feat when you consider the last 6 in Athlone. 5/5 fairways and 5/6 greens for GIR. 2 putted every green except the 16th where I made a good up and down. I didnt know where the holes were for my approach shots so didnt get close with any of my shots. But still, happy enough to have gotten out

It was a gorgeous day

finglashoop

RGS wrote: »

Maybe golf Ireland havent put the case properly but at the end of the day sport Ireland dictate the terms of return to play.

It's a serious indictment of both bodies that allowing golf for handicap purposes is seen as different to competition golf.

I would love to hear the rationale for not allowing competition golf.

your first paragraph sums it up really.

shambles.

Russman

So, they’re allowed have handicap qualifying events which “may” involve registration and/or collection of fees, but not allowed have formal competitions - what’s the difference ?

Seve OB

I haven’t read it all yet but was nice to see at least a little common sense to allow travel up to 20k from your home to play golf.
This still rules me out as I’m about 35km as the crow flies or somewhere between 40-50 Km drive depending on the route I take.
I paid up my sub in February, close enough to €2k.
With no indication on when this might change, I will be getting some value for my money and do intend on breaking the restrictions and playing however due to the daft carry on of not allowing competitions I’ll probably restrict it to once a week for the initial period

Golfgraffix

Russman wrote: »

So, they’re allowed have handicap qualifying events which “may” involve registration and/or collection of fees, but not allowed have formal competitions - what’s the difference ?

Sport Ireland have said no competitions but Golf Ireland understand that some clubs really need the revenue. Good decision IMO

ProV

Golfgraffix wrote: »

Sport Ireland have said no competitions but Golf Ireland understand that some clubs really need the revenue. Good decision IMO

Maybe I'm missing something, but why would you pay a fee if there was no Competition or prizes ?
The problem I seen the last time when Comps were not allowed: groups of different golfers were playing for money and then handing coins over to each other in the carpark.
When competitions resumed, at sign-in your virtual wallet was deducted the relevant amount and then winners had their virtual wallet topped up as the prize = a far safer scenario, the only interaction is the tapping of your smartphone !

redzerdrog

A sweep isn't a competition would be my reading of that

ProV

redzerdrog wrote: »

A sweep isn't a competition would be my reading of that

Good call, thanks for the reply

[Deleted User]

Seve OB wrote: »

I haven’t read it all yet but was nice to see at least a little common sense to allow travel up to 20k from your home to play golf.
This still rules me out as I’m about 35km as the crow flies or somewhere between 40-50 Km drive depending on the route I take.
I paid up my sub in February, close enough to €2k.
With no indication on when this might change, I will be getting some value for my money and do intend on breaking the restrictions and playing however due to the daft carry on of not allowing competitions I’ll probably restrict it to once a week for the initial period

The 20K or within your own county is for everything though from the 12th so not a decision specific to Golf.

Ollieboy

Exactly wrote: »

The 20K or within your own county is for everything though from the 12th so not a decision specific to Golf.

It golf Ireland request it and push but it and justify it.

Seve OB

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The 20K or within your own county is for everything though from the 12th so not a decision specific to Golf.

Wasn’t aware of that.
It’s sensible and I’m glad to see it for people who live on the borders of counties

prawnsambo

Ollieboy wrote: »

I’ll give it two weeks and clubs will start ignoring it like the last time.

The first time we open it was 4 balls 14 mins apart and now it’s 2 balls 8 mins apart....

They really don’t have a clue!

Clubs will have to employee starters so extra cost with no income.

I don’t see why golf isn’t getting a major financial bailout. If it wasn’t for members clubs would be closed.

Four balls ten minutes apart is pretty much the norm. So set it up for ten minute intervals and any number up to four can play. No starters necessary.

Golfgraffix

prawnsambo wrote: »

Four balls ten minutes apart is pretty much the norm. So set it up for ten minute intervals and any number up to four can play. No starters necessary.

But how do you stop 3 and fourballs from more than two households if the tee sheet is open for fourballs. It puts a lot of work back on the club to monitor it.

Mixing 8 and 10 minute intervals on a day is a bad idea, there is plenty of evidence to show that mixed intervals causes slower play, combine that with 3 and fourballs mixed with two balls, it’s a recipe for slow play.

I think we are just going with straight two balls at 8 minutes with some form of non competition counting for handicap

prawnsambo

Golfgraffix wrote: »

But how do you stop 3 and fourballs from more than two households if the tee sheet is open for fourballs. It puts a lot of work back on the club to monitor it.

Mixing 8 and 10 minute intervals on a day is a bad idea, there is plenty of evidence to show that mixed intervals causes slower play, combine that with 3 and fourballs mixed with two balls, it’s a recipe for slow play.

I think we are just going with straight two balls at 8 minutes with some form of non competition counting for handicap

How do you stop anyone breaking rules that are in the main unenforceable? People will do stupid things, but trying to police that is hit and miss at best. You'd have to rely on people to make the right choices and just re-iterate the rules at booking level.

Ollieboy

prawnsambo wrote: »

How do you stop anyone breaking rules that are in the main unenforceable? People will do stupid things, but trying to police that is hit and miss at best. You'd have to rely on people to make the right choices and just re-iterate the rules at booking level.

Totally agree, it’s up to people to police themselves.

But with these rules there will be massive congestion at clubs and people will try to jump queues etc.

I think most clubs will open and only allow 9 holes under the current policy

blue note

Golfgraffix wrote: »

But how do you stop 3 and fourballs from more than two households if the tee sheet is open for fourballs. It puts a lot of work back on the club to monitor it.

Mixing 8 and 10 minute intervals on a day is a bad idea, there is plenty of evidence to show that mixed intervals causes slower play, combine that with 3 and fourballs mixed with two balls, it’s a recipe for slow play.

I think we are just going with straight two balls at 8 minutes with some form of non competition counting for handicap

I'd assume clubs will just open it up to fourballs and turn a blind eye, like mine did last time. The problem will be people trying to abide by the rule when there are fourballs out on the course. It'll be infuriating playing in a two ball and moving at a fourball pace.

prawnsambo

blue note wrote: »

I'd assume clubs will just open it up to fourballs and turn a blind eye, like mine did last time. The problem will be people trying to abide by the rule when there are fourballs out on the course. It'll be infuriating playing in a two ball and moving at a fourball pace.

I know in my club, members formed their own 'bubbles' and only played with them. Some of them were made up with family members and neighbours and in general, were in the two household range anyway. When restrictions were lifted, we had people insisting on staying in their 'bubbles' even when there was no such restriction.

ForeRight

Cycled past my club today and stopped to look in thru the gate

copacetic

prawnsambo wrote: »

How do you stop anyone breaking rules that are in the main unenforceable? People will do stupid things, but trying to police that is hit and miss at best. You'd have to rely on people to make the right choices and just re-iterate the rules at booking level.

Agreed, It’s a nightmare to expect people to police it themselves, what happens then is that you book a two ball from two households and a couple more f**knits will then book in beside you on the day, hoping you’ll pull out.

Block off booking to be two balls and have any special circumstances of 3/4 balls from the one house book via pro shop. Otherwise you have the made up ****e above of people inventing 4 ball bubbles, involving 4 households.

FixdePitchmark

Golfgraffix wrote: »

But how do you stop 3 and fourballs from more than two households if the tee sheet is open for fourballs. It puts a lot of work back on the club to monitor it.

Mixing 8 and 10 minute intervals on a day is a bad idea, there is plenty of evidence to show that mixed intervals causes slower play, combine that with 3 and fourballs mixed with two balls, it’s a recipe for slow play.

I think we are just going with straight two balls at 8 minutes with some form of non competition counting for handicap

Could you do something like

First 4 hours of day are 2 balls at eight mins
second 4 hours of day are 3 balls at 9 mins
last 5 hours of day are 4 balls at 10 mins

I think our place will have to only play 9 too.

Maybe you could have 4 balls on one 9 and 2/3 balls on other nine.

Interesting all the options.
People with another golfer in their household are advantaged (I think ?)

Overall - with clubs with more members - it is kind of workable and not as much as a disaster as straight 2 balls.

Stacksey

I miss jumping out of bed at 7am when my alarm goes off for Golf on a Saturday morning, funnily enough when it goes off at 7am for work it takes me an hour to get up

Seve OB

Stacksey wrote: »

I miss jumping out of bed at 7am when my alarm goes off for Golf on a Saturday morning, funnily enough when it goes off at 7am for work it takes me an hour to get up

Meet your brother:D

blue note

Stacksey wrote: »

I miss jumping out of bed at 7am when my alarm goes off for Golf on a Saturday morning, funnily enough when it goes off at 7am for work it takes me an hour to get up

Ha, this is so true. On a work night I don't want to go to bed because once I do the next thing I'll do is get up for work. Then I wake up and treasure the time before my alarm goes off because I feel like the day hasn't started yet. Then the alarm goes off and I try to will myself out of bed.

Whereas on a Friday night, I'll happily go to bed. And if it's a 7am tee time I'll happily get out of bed at 6. Possibly the best tee time, because I'll still have practically the whole day free.

Telecaster58

These new rules whereby effectively only 2 balls will be allowed is certainly going to cause havoc. 2 balls going out at 8 minute intervals is 14 people per hour. I have a feeling that golf will be restricted to 9 holes each weekend to cater for the most numbers. This is absurd.

RGS

Telecaster58 wrote: »

These new rules whereby effectively only 2 balls will be allowed is certainly going to cause havoc. 2 balls going out at 8 minute intervals is 14 people per hour. I have a feeling that golf will be restricted to 9 holes each weekend to cater for the most numbers. This is absurd.

All depends on the playing numbers in each club. Even with 2 balls you should be able to get around 150 on the course playing 18 holes running a time sheet from 6.30am with last tee time 5.30pm. The longer daylight hours are a help.

ShivasIrons

Telecaster58 wrote: »

These new rules whereby effectively only 2 balls will be allowed is certainly going to cause havoc. 2 balls going out at 8 minute intervals is 14 people per hour. I have a feeling that golf will be restricted to 9 holes each weekend to cater for the most numbers. This is absurd.

How many more can you get out in 4s? Bear in mind one person taking 4 shots a hole and 30 seconds a shot adds 2 minutes per hole to complete a round. This also doesn't take the extra waiting from the others into consideration as the shots are being played.

3 balls will take longer to play, 4 balls longer again and bigger spacing between groups is needed otherwise the course will get completely clogged up.

2 balls are not absurd. It's pretty clear from this thread that most golfers are clueless on how to get golfers around the course in a timely fashion using proper tee time management. Getting as many golfers out in as short as time as possible is a recipe for slow play. Using the method of it's ok to hit from the first as soon as the group in front is out of range is a recipe for slow play.

Which do golfers prefer, to tee off at 12 in a 4 ball that finishes at 4:30-5 or tee off in a 2 ball at 1 and finish at 4? Golfers are forever going on about slow play but have no idea what causes it and can't see the actual solutions when presented to them.

gypsy79

ShivasIrons wrote: »

How many more can you get out in 4s?

By going out in 4s the number of golfers allowed out will be in a 12 hour day:

12*60*4/10 = 288

12*60*2/8 = 180

So you dont understand that is 60% higher! Saving time on rounds is not the issue

ShivasIrons

gypsy79 wrote: »

By going out in 4s the number of golfers allowed out will be in a 12 hour day:

12*60*4/10 = 288

12*60*2/8 = 180

So you dont understand that is 60% higher! Saving time on rounds is not the issue

You don't seem to understand that it takes much longer for 4s to play. 2s can start later and finish earlier