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Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

Keano

Time to discuss what golf is going to look like for next year, maybe more, who knows.

What is your club doing? What would you like to see happen?

Mod note: we have done to death the restrictions(5k jumping to 20k in June) so this is not a thread for discussing that topic, take it to COVID-19 forum

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Golfgraffix

Russman wrote: »

So, they’re allowed have handicap qualifying events which “may” involve registration and/or collection of fees, but not allowed have formal competitions - what’s the difference ?

Sport Ireland have said no competitions but Golf Ireland understand that some clubs really need the revenue. Good decision IMO

Seve OB

I haven’t read it all yet but was nice to see at least a little common sense to allow travel up to 20k from your home to play golf.
This still rules me out as I’m about 35km as the crow flies or somewhere between 40-50 Km drive depending on the route I take.
I paid up my sub in February, close enough to €2k.
With no indication on when this might change, I will be getting some value for my money and do intend on breaking the restrictions and playing however due to the daft carry on of not allowing competitions I’ll probably restrict it to once a week for the initial period

Russman

So, they’re allowed have handicap qualifying events which “may” involve registration and/or collection of fees, but not allowed have formal competitions - what’s the difference ?

finglashoop

RGS wrote: »

Maybe golf Ireland havent put the case properly but at the end of the day sport Ireland dictate the terms of return to play.

It's a serious indictment of both bodies that allowing golf for handicap purposes is seen as different to competition golf.

I would love to hear the rationale for not allowing competition golf.

your first paragraph sums it up really.

shambles.

Rikand

PLayed 6 holes today. It was lovely to get out.

Well, I didnt play. I walked the last 6 in Athlone and pretended that I had an imaginary set of clubs with me and "played" the course. I played pretty well too. 6 pars which is no mean feat when you consider the last 6 in Athlone. 5/5 fairways and 5/6 greens for GIR. 2 putted every green except the 16th where I made a good up and down. I didnt know where the holes were for my approach shots so didnt get close with any of my shots. But still, happy enough to have gotten out

It was a gorgeous day

RGS

finglashoop wrote: »

golf ireland hardly covering themselves in glory here

Maybe golf Ireland havent put the case properly but at the end of the day sport Ireland dictate the terms of return to play.

It's a serious indictment of both bodies that allowing golf for handicap purposes is seen as different to competition golf.

I would love to hear the rationale for not allowing competition golf.

finglashoop

RGS wrote: »

The non playing of competitions is the most idiotic suggestion I've seen.
There is no real difference between competitions and what's purposed by allowing players return cards for handicap purposes.

It's clear those in sport Ireland dont have a f**king clue about how golf is played.

golf ireland hardly covering themselves in glory here

RGS

The non playing of competitions is the most idiotic suggestion I've seen.
There is no real difference between competitions and what's purposed by allowing players return cards for handicap purposes.

It's clear those in sport Ireland dont have a f**king clue about how golf is played.

Ollieboy

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Wow Golf Ireland are about as useless as government.

I’m was not a fan of the GUI and I believe Golf Ireland is a major step forward. They have already delivered on governance improvements to clubs and have create a structure that is professional and going in the right direction.

But this is govt policy and it’s very hard to change the minds of YES men...

If you want this change then contact local TDS and tell them to change it or protest in some peaceful manner. Have you signed the online petition?

I personally contacted two govt minister and got a response and signed online petitions.

I think golf Ireland have done a good job and the 20 km outside your county is down to them which was a major issue for some clubs.

Golf Ireland could have done a better job in communicating with members but then they would need to criticize govt policy which is what they didn’t want to do.

But if you think you can do a better job I look forward to you joining the executive in 2022.

Mantis Toboggan

Ollieboy wrote: »

Golf Ireland website and just issued to clubs.

Wow Golf Ireland are about as useless as government.

Finlay Harp

Whiplash85 wrote: »

When are guests expected to be allowed play in NI?

Announcement on the 12th April.

Ollieboy

Exactly wrote: »

The worrying thing about that document is there is no date set for any changes or review to what is set out.

No competitions allowed but you can return scores for casual golf which involves the same process of sign in, return of card etc.

Courses will be open but Clubs still will not be able to generate any income that comes from people playing on the course.

I’ll give it two weeks and clubs will start ignoring it like the last time.

The first time we open it was 4 balls 14 mins apart and now it’s 2 balls 8 mins apart....

They really don’t have a clue!

Clubs will have to employee starters so extra cost with no income.

I don’t see why golf isn’t getting a major financial bailout. If it wasn’t for members clubs would be closed.

[Deleted User]

The worrying thing about that document is there is no date set for any changes or review to what is set out.

No competitions allowed but you can return scores for casual golf which involves the same process of sign in, return of card etc.

Courses will be open but Clubs still will not be able to generate any income that comes from people playing on the course.

RoadRunner

Salvadoor wrote: »

Again, nothing to do with golf or golf lockdown/restrictions. Absolutely irrelevant to the golf forum

Discussions here are ongoing as to how golf is completely irrelevant of the spread of the disease in the country. I've pointed out current things the government are also doing are things which are also completely irrelevant which I think actually is important to point out that they are doing things that they know will have zero affect just to claim that they doing something.

Bear in mind also that:
here, and here and also here
you yourself led discussion on this *same golf lockdown thread about the *same subject - international travel while discussing whether Michael Martin should or shouldn't be travelling to washington on st patricks day to meet with biden administration

fred funk }{

Golf really is being shafted. Id bet there is hardly anyone who shares a house that will play together so nearly every group will be two balls and literally just outside the course there will be huge groups congregated together.

Whiplash85

When are guests expected to be allowed play in NI?

ClutchIt

Ollieboy wrote: »

Golf Ireland website and just issued to clubs.

Thanks for the info Ollie. Damn shame.

Ollieboy

11521323 wrote: »

I'm still not clear how this works for golf clubs that don't have members??

The likes of Balheary Par 3, Julianstown, etc.

I would play those a lot with friends who play casually.

What did they do after the last lockdown?

The will have to send guests out in 2 households

Salvadoor

RoadRunner wrote: »

We've been all locked down for almost the whole of last year, among other things prevented from playing golf. You can go to Conspiracy threads yourself if you like. Sadly what I posted is not Nutter or Conspiracy theory.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/eu-states-and-us-dropped-from-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-1.4526399

Unfortunately it's relevant because it reinforces the lack of logic and further indicates that the priority of the government is to continue to deal with this problem by perpetually keeping the state locked down and ignoring science and wisdom. Forcing golf courses to stay closed for the next month and bombastic statements like adding those 26 extra countries to a quarantine list are equally useless. It's taking useless actions that have no bearing on the situation in any meaning way. It's doing pretend stuff just so that they can be seen to be doing something.

The list of 26 "high risk" countries added to the mandatory hotel quarantine list have obviously been plucked out of the air, cherry picked because no one visits Ireland from any these counties already and they have literally no bearing on the disease in any shape.

Of two contents, one of them being the most heavily infected in the world, this is the list of those we quarantine:

(Snippet above taken from citizens Information Board the statutory body which supports the provision of information, advice and advocacy on public and social services in Ireland)

Again, nothing to do with golf or golf lockdown/restrictions. Absolutely irrelevant to the golf forum

11521323

I'm still not clear how this works for golf clubs that don't have members??

The likes of Balheary Par 3, Julianstown, etc.

I would play those a lot with friends who play casually.

Ollieboy

Exactly wrote: »

Link?

Golf Ireland website and just issued to clubs.

[Deleted User]

Ollieboy wrote: »

2 households confirmed by Golf Ireland from 26...

No comp.

No guest.

Link?

Ollieboy

2 households confirmed by Golf Ireland from 26...

No comp.

No guest.

RoadRunner

Salvadoor wrote: »

How is this relevant to Golf lockdown exactly?
Head on over to the nutter Covid Conspiracy thread for yourself

We've been all locked down for almost the whole of last year, among other things prevented from playing golf. You can go to Conspiracy threads yourself if you like. Sadly what I posted is not Nutter or Conspiracy theory.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/eu-states-and-us-dropped-from-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-1.4526399

Unfortunately it's relevant because it reinforces the lack of logic and further indicates that the priority of the government is to continue to deal with this problem by perpetually keeping the state locked down and ignoring science and wisdom. Forcing golf courses to stay closed for the next month and bombastic statements like adding those 26 extra countries to a quarantine list are equally useless. It's taking useless actions that have no bearing on the situation in any meaning way. It's doing pretend stuff just so that they can be seen to be doing something.

The list of 26 "high risk" countries added to the mandatory hotel quarantine list have obviously been plucked out of the air, cherry picked because no one visits Ireland from any these counties already and they have literally no bearing on the disease in any shape.

Of two contents, one of them being the most heavily infected in the world, this is the list of those we quarantine:

(Snippet above taken from citizens Information Board the statutory body which supports the provision of information, advice and advocacy on public and social services in Ireland)

[Deleted User]

Salvadoor wrote: »

How is this relevant to Golf lockdown exactly?

Head on over to the nutter Covid Conspiracy thread for yourself

They're all potential Golf holiday destinations

Can't wait for my next trip to some of them.

Salvadoor

bustercherry wrote: »

When did this happen?

read the thread title....

bustercherry

Salvadoor wrote: »

How is this relevant to Golf lockdown exactly?

Head on over to the nutter Covid Conspiracy thread for yourself

When did this happen?

spacecoyote

Salvadoor wrote: »

How is this relevant to Golf lockdown exactly?

Head on over to the nutter Covid Conspiracy thread for yourself

I'm assuming the point is we're looking at the wrong areas to control. We've golf locked down, but are continuing to allow people to travel to ireland, and not quarantine, if they're coming from a large EU country looking at 4th waves and lockdowns.

But we're now enforcing quarantine on visitors from Aruba, etc...

Presumably the point is, we probably receive less visitors from all of those countries combined in a single year than we do from France alone.

So if we want to focus on controlling covid in our country, in order to allow the likes of Golf, etc... to reopen, then adding the likes of the above controls could be seen as a bit of a hollow gesture

Salvadoor

RoadRunner wrote: »

These are the states added to the quarantine list.

Serial offender superspreading states such as Aruba, Bonnaire St Eustatis, Saba, the (complete!) territory of wallis and funtuna islands, plus the addition of Israel (most successfully vaccinated country in the entire world!) will no longer be spreading their covid germs among us!

How is this relevant to Golf lockdown exactly?

Head on over to the nutter Covid Conspiracy thread for yourself

RoadRunner

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Exactly, why we're allowing them into the country without quarantining is beyond stupid.

These are the states added to the quarantine list.

Serial offender superspreading states such as Aruba, Bonnaire St Eustatis, Saba, the (complete!) territory of wallis and funtuna islands, plus the addition of Israel (most successfully vaccinated country in the entire world!) will no longer be spreading their covid germs among us!