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Best dehorning Crate

ABitofsense

Whats the best dehorning crate out there for suckler LMx calves?
Some were too strong/big for our old crate (small for dairy calves) at 2-3 weeks old last year so i want to get a good strong crate for this yr. There seems to be a good few different designs out there now

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Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118880634#Comment_118880634

Was looking at one a few weeks ago. I dehorn calves from as young as 3 days old and I thought the crate would struggle with young calves???

any experience advice on this?

French Toast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118878642#Comment_118878642

Yep, Condon Deluxe is a great job. Buy one of those and chances are you'll never again buy a crate.

Baalbec10

Is the Condon crate still the one to go for?

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118558023#Comment_118558023

Very poor beef cattle. They are too light boned.

ginger22

anyone here heard of polled bulls

whelan2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118557695#Comment_118557695

Louth

Tommyturf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/115942480#Comment_115942480

where is your dehorning contractor based? looking to outsource…

Sami23

Dunedin wrote: »

LMx here and all are done on average about 5 days old. Very rare to go over the week.

Jas it wud be very hard to see them on mine at that age.
Would you not find it hard to locate the horns at that age or be afraid of going too deep.

Dunedin

Sami23 wrote: »

How old on average do ye normally dehorn calves at say out of LMX suckler cows.
Would they want to be 2 weeks old anyway so there would be a bit of a horn present.
I know it varies with the cows and bulls playing a part too in how young the horns develope

LMx here and all are done on average about 5 days old. Very rare to go over the week.

Sami23

How old on average do ye normally dehorn calves at say out of LMX suckler cows.
Would they want to be 2 weeks old anyway so there would be a bit of a horn present.
I know it varies with the cows and bulls playing a part too in how young the horns develope

ABitofsense

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Attachment not found.

Pic of the replacement noseband

A length of safety belt was used, its anchor tongue secures it to dehorning crate. The other end of the belt is tied off on the right hand side of the crate.

I'm going to try set something like this up. Are you just tying it to keep it in place?

Lime Tree Farm

Gudstock wrote: »

Can you post a pic of it please?

I did post a pic, post no 24 on this thread, 9 Jan 21

Gudstock

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

I replaced the strap with a length of safety belt from a scrap car. Much more comfortable and secure about the calf's nose.

Can you post a pic of it please?

Count Mondego

charolais0153 wrote: »

First calf that was put in it pulled it off the gate , not fit for sucklers

I don't agree. I have one for the last six year and it's a great job. I do Limousin suckers up to six or seven weeks old in it. Have it hanging on the outside of the crush bars, near a corner so you haven't far to bring them into it.

Lime Tree Farm

ABitofsense wrote: »

First time using the condon crate today. The strap to hold the head is useless so I'll need to design something better.
Other thing is it's designed for big calves. I had 2x small 7-10 day old ZAG calves & nightmare to do them. The bigger calves were perfect in it though & work well (except the strap)

I replaced the strap with a length of safety belt from a scrap car. Much more comfortable and secure about the calf's nose.

ABitofsense

First time using the condon crate today. The strap to hold the head is useless so I'll need to design something better.
Other thing is it's designed for big calves. I had 2x small 7-10 day old ZAG calves & nightmare to do them. The bigger calves were perfect in it though & work well (except the strap)

whelan2

Our hoof pairing man does dehorning too. Has 2 our 3 crates depending on what size calves he will be doing. He uses the gas dehorner and has them done in the time we would be setting up the stuff. Anytime we did them ourselves it always ends up in a row :rolleyes:

50HX

westlander wrote: »

Anyone got the O’Neill’s?
Nice and handy to carry and hook it onto a gate or a crush pipe.
Only issue is if the calf goes down but there is a quick release underneath the strap plate:

https://www.oneilleng.ie/index.php/product/oneill-calf-sheep-staller/

And in my experience down they will go:D

Gudstock

Some of our calves could be 4 weeks plus and have no buds showing. What would you say that the max age is for a suckler calf to fit in the Condon crate?

Anyone have experience or thoughts on these ones:

https://www.nbe.ie/product/calf-dehorning-cate-standard/

https://www.odonovaneng.ie/product/dehorning-crate/

http://www.d1086930.cp.blacknight.com/osmonds.ie/index.php/products/categories/animal-handling/product/147-osmonds-calf-dehorning-crate

https://www.teemoreengineering.com/crushes-handling/dehorning-crate.php

charolais0153

westlander wrote: »

Anyone got the O’Neill’s?
Nice and handy to carry and hook it onto a gate or a crush pipe.
Only issue is if the calf goes down but there is a quick release underneath the strap plate:

https://www.oneilleng.ie/index.php/product/oneill-calf-sheep-staller/

First calf that was put in it pulled it off the gate , not fit for sucklers

westlander

Anyone got the O’Neill’s?
Nice and handy to carry and hook it onto a gate or a crush pipe.
Only issue is if the calf goes down but there is a quick release underneath the strap plate:

https://www.oneilleng.ie/index.php/product/oneill-calf-sheep-staller/

Dunedin

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

What to expect when the title of the thread is dehorning.

A neighbours condom would dehorn most fellas even those over 5 weeks.....

Lime Tree Farm

Grueller wrote: »

Halter, front legs off the ground, tied to a bar of the crush. The auld lad cursing and me getting kicked assunder is the way it was always done here. I had 14 calves to do in December and borrowed a neighbour's condon to do them. Never going back to the old way.

Auto correct tried to turn "borrowed a neighbour's condon" into "borrowed a neighbour's condom". That's reason enough to buy your own new one, borrowing a condom that your neighbour had already used would be going a little bit too far.

What to expect when the title of the thread is dehorning.

Grueller

Halter, front legs off the ground, tied to a bar of the crush. The auld lad cursing and me getting kicked assunder is the way it was always done here. I had 14 calves to do in December and borrowed a neighbour's condon to do them. Never going back to the old way.

Auto correct tried to turn "borrowed a neighbour's condon" into "borrowed a neighbour's condom". That's reason enough to buy your own new one, borrowing a condom that your neighbour had already used would be going a little bit too far.

Johnchaff

Ya I know I don't want to know about how anyone else does it without a crate i want to know what everyone thinks the best crate is pros and cons of each one

Tig98

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Oh man, we were at that horsing here for years, wresting calves, making them wild, getting the ****e kicked out of yourself and covered in it at the same time. Would make you fine and strong alright but something I won't be returning to all the same.

Same here
Theres enough pulling and dragging as it is, least you can do for yourself is get some good equipment to take the strain off you

K.G.

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Oh man, we were at that horsing here for years, wresting calves, making them wild, getting the ****e kicked out of yourself and covered in it at the same time. Would make you fine and strong alright but something I won't be returning to all the same.

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

You've never dehorned a lim bull that way. That's for sure. I was grabbing one here once and he literally ran up the wall. His back legs were about 18 inches off the ground.

You can say that again and never will.i do a few for a neighbour every year and every time i leave the yard i say suckers should be banned

patsy_mccabe

I've a short lifting strap here, about 4 foot long. It has a loop at each end. I loop it at one end and throw it over the calves head. Great to get them in the crate.

893bet

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

wresting calves, making them wild,.

A key point. That type of activity (which we currently do) is not good for fostering trust from a young age. Makes the whole thing an ordeal that is hard on man and beast.

Limestone Cowboy

K.G. wrote: »

I think crates are too slow.back them into the corner andwith your back to them put legand hip up against them rising their front legs off the ground.thenput your arm around their head and onto their nose and pull their nose back and under them and use other hand to work dehorner .this gives you control and the horns easy to get at.

Oh man, we were at that horsing here for years, wresting calves, making them wild, getting the ****e kicked out of yourself and covered in it at the same time. Would make you fine and strong alright but something I won't be returning to all the same.