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Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

Keano

Time to discuss what golf is going to look like for next year, maybe more, who knows.

What is your club doing? What would you like to see happen?

Mod note: we have done to death the restrictions(5k jumping to 20k in June) so this is not a thread for discussing that topic, take it to COVID-19 forum

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ForeRight

I smell a sting in the tail. An easy out for gov and nphet.

prawnsambo

RGS wrote: »

I understand the frustration and criticism of Golf Ireland.
Golf Ireland could be on every social media, radio and TV Station extolling the virtues of golf but nothing would change.
We have to understand golf Ireland have no control over the issue.
NPHET are running the show and they determine how we re open society.

NPHETS recent letter to the Minister contained this little gem:

"Consideration will also be given to the phased return of non-contact outdoor training, starting with under 13s, in May."
How a group of medics could sit down and suggest delaying the return to training of kids is beyond my understanding. Especially since all clubs have rules and regulations in place.

IMO Golf Ireland and other sports have a serious challenge trying to change the ultra cautious approach of NPHET.

Because kids require transport to games and training. So that means adults mixing while waiting or watching the sessions. And then there's the prospect of car-pooling where some parents aren't available. The stupidity of people has to be seen to be believed. A friend of mine works at a test centre and he tells me that the number of people turning up for tests without masks on is ridiculous. One person said he didn't need to wear one because "I'm the driver".

With that kind of idiocy, no wonder we have so many cases.

Lip Out

ForeRight wrote: »

I smell a sting in the tail. An easy out for gov and nphet.

But yet the proviso doesn't apply to GAA and other elite sports.

Kingswood Rover

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Golf Ireland on twitter this morning saying women will not be permitted onto golf courses until June at the earlier. They say they're expecting big demand from men once courses re open and need to create more room on the time sheet to accommodate them.

Harsh enough on the women but more space for the lads.. Happy days.

Nice bit of sexism to start the day,

First Up

Lip Out wrote: »

But yet the proviso doesn't apply to GAA and other elite sports.

It says outdoor sports facilities such as pitches, tennis and golf. Don't they play GAA on pitches?

First Up

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Nice bit of sexism to start the day,

Check the date.

Lip Out

First Up wrote: »

It says outdoor sports facilities such as pitches, tennis and golf. Don't they play GAA on pitches?

prawnsambo

Lip Out wrote: »

Not sure why this is being queried. The numbers involved at elite level sports is a hell of a lot less than would be in normal tennis, golf, underage sport and amusement parks etc.

bustercherry

Lip Out wrote: »

But yet the proviso doesn't apply to GAA and other elite sports.

So what?

Somebody on here the other day (I didn't fact check) has pointed out that elite amateur golfers can already practice and could during the current restrictions. If so, nothing to see here.

Wombatman

prawnsambo wrote: »

Not sure why this is being queried. The numbers involved at elite level sports is a hell of a lot less than would be in normal tennis, golf, underage sport and amusement parks etc.

Elite level sports....... intercounty bogball football? :pac:

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bustercherry wrote: »

So what?

Somebody on here the other day (I didn't fact check) has pointed out that elite amateur golfers can already practice and could during the current restrictions. If so, nothing to see here.

They aren't allowed back training until the 19th is the so what and there was a reminder issued from the GAA about this on Tuesday apparently. The optics don't look good around it and I'm sure they aren't the only ones doing it but the society we live in now will have people looking for blood.

gypsy79

So I am vaccinated, am I allowed play golf up north?

Dtoffee

ShivasIrons wrote: »

Mark Kenneally, the CEO of Golf Ireland, was formerly the chief of staff in the Department of the Taoiseach, he is one of the most politically connected people in the country, he knows how to lobby and who to lobby, you can be certain that he was working all the back channels that you can imagine and probably some you can't making the case for golf.

Just because he is 'politically connected' does not mean he is influencial or has any power. Its a two way street and maybe instead of him lobbying and using back channels, it is possible he was told to get in line and follow the Governments decision. Has he ever said that he does not agree with the decisions made ?????

Just got an email from the club captain to say its 'two balls and nine holes only from 26th' with eight minute intervals :mad: max 16 people every hour for about 9 hours means that roughly one in six of the entire membership gets to play. All I can say is God help any FF/FG chancers that knock on my door :eek:, this will not be forgotten.

prawnsambo

Dtoffee wrote: »

Just because he is 'politically connected' does not mean he is influencial or has any power. Its a two way street and maybe instead of him lobbying and using back channels, it is possible he was told to get in line and follow the Governments decision. Has he ever said that he does not agree with the decisions made ?????

Just got an email from the club captain to say its 'two balls and nine holes only from 26th' with eight minute intervals :mad: max 16 people every hour for about 9 hours means that roughly one in six of the entire membership gets to play. All I can say is God help any FF/FG chancers that knock on my door :eek:, this will not be forgotten.

That memo from your golf club has nothing to do with the government. There is no requirement outlined yet on frequency of time slots or number of people playing. There may well be one closer to the date, but as of now. No. So your golf club is doing this off their own bat for reasons known only to themselves. As an example, the guidance for clubs in NI does not require such restrictions.

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Dtoffee wrote: »

Just because he is 'politically connected' does not mean he is influencial or has any power. Its a two way street and maybe instead of him lobbying and using back channels, it is possible he was told to get in line and follow the Governments decision. Has he ever said that he does not agree with the decisions made ?????

Just got an email from the club captain to say its 'two balls and nine holes only from 26th' with eight minute intervals :mad: max 16 people every hour for about 9 hours means that roughly one in six of the entire membership gets to play. All I can say is God help any FF/FG chancers that knock on my door :eek:, this will not be forgotten.

Are you a 9 hole course? Presume they will be using both 9's and the reason for 9 holes is to cope with the initial demand to get everyone back out in the first few days. I presume if the space allows on the timesheet that you can also play 18 holes but this is only if there isn't a booking on the other 9 when you finish.

B-D-P--

Wombatman wrote: »

Elite level sports....... intercounty bogball football? :pac:

Fan or not of gaa, using the "If they can why cant I" approach is childish,
I'd expect that argument from a 5 year old.

If your arguing for Golf to open & stay open in ireland, use the facts around golf.
Its outdoors, there is social distance by nature of the sport (Especially when I hit the left woods and my partner hits the right woods) You have no reason to touch other players or other players equipment, Its a fantastic boost to mental health.

FAILSAFE 00

I wasn't aware ranges could reopen on April 26th??

Outdoor non essential retail can't even open until May and golf on the 26th appears to limited to 2 balls with no club house open.

Kinseally Grange opening on the 26th of April. Or do I have it wrong. Will be able to go to the range from the 26th.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNFpWPoDvm2/?igshid=1wlw6jad3baxw

Kid Charlemagne

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

I wasn't aware ranges could reopen on April 26th??

Outdoor non essential retail can't even open until May and golf on the 26th appears to limited to 2 balls with no club house open.

Kinseally Grange opening on the 26th of April. Or do I have it wrong. Will be able to go to the range from the 26th.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNFpWPoDvm2/?igshid=1wlw6jad3baxw

Yeah gubment seem dead set on destroying small retail. Don't understand the logic. Was shocked to see click and collect not allowed either. Very "Anti Business" agenda at play in this country at the moment.

prawnsambo

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

I wasn't aware ranges could reopen on April 26th??

Outdoor non essential retail can't even open until May and golf on the 26th appears to limited to 2 balls with no club house open.

Kinseally Grange opening on the 26th of April. Or do I have it wrong. Will be able to go to the range from the 26th.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNFpWPoDvm2/?igshid=1wlw6jad3baxw

Where are you getting this?

Ranges may be open. Lots of ifs and buts about that statement.

FAILSAFE 00

prawnsambo wrote: »

Where are you getting this?

Ranges may be open. Lots of ifs and buts about that statement.

Trying to find the article. It referenced Leo Varadkar as saying non contact sports were being limited to 2 people.

Wombatman

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Fan or not of gaa, using the "If they can why cant I" approach is childish,
I'd expect that argument from a 5 year old.

If your arguing for Golf to open & stay open in ireland, use the facts around golf.
Its outdoors, there is social distance by nature of the sport (Especially when I hit the left woods and my partner hits the right woods) You have no reason to touch other players or other players equipment, Its a fantastic boost to mental health.

It might seem childish posting this......but I'm going to do it anyway. Common sense is often patently obvious to children.

"Dublin GAA stars broke rules on Covid gatherings with early morning training"

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-stars-broke-rules-on-covid-gatherings-with-early-morning-training-40263682.html

ShivasIrons

Dtoffee wrote: »

Just because he is 'politically connected' does not mean he is influencial or has any power. Its a two way street and maybe instead of him lobbying and using back channels, it is possible he was told to get in line and follow the Governments decision. Has he ever said that he does not agree with the decisions made ?????

Just got an email from the club captain to say its 'two balls and nine holes only from 26th' with eight minute intervals :mad: max 16 people every hour for about 9 hours means that roughly one in six of the entire membership gets to play. All I can say is God help any FF/FG chancers that knock on my door :eek:, this will not be forgotten.

Are you saying that Golf Ireland shouldn't have followed the Government's decision?

How are you suggesting tee times should be managed then to get more golfers around the course?

Towards the end of April, there will be close to 15 hours daylight, about 6am to 9pm. Let's use 7am as our starting time, with 9 hole two balls the last time can be 7:30pm, or 12 1/2 hours of tee times, its 15 golfers an hour with 2 balls at 8 minutes and 2 nines. That is about 370 golfers that can play with your club's times and in a timely fashion. If 1/6th of your members can only play that's nearly 2,000 members

If you want to have more in a group than 2, spacing between groups needs to be more and it takes longer to get around, so you can't have fourballs at 8 minute intervals, 10 minute intervals for fourballs is still not advisable, it clogs up the course, the minimum for 4 balls would be 12 minutes, that is 20 golfers an hour, last tee time to get 18 in would be 5 in late april, now you have 7 until 5 or 10 hours, that's 200 golfers to get to play 18. Which is better 200 playing 18 or 370 playing 9?

ShivasIrons

opinionated3 wrote: »

You'll have to name those clubs that had evidence of transmission cases because I haven't heard of any. And were those cases logged with the HSE? Because again, I didn't hear any mention of golf club related outbreaks in their memos.
Golf Ireland failed in most peoples eyes because justifying golf as a covid safe activity should be like shooting fish in a barrel. And yet we still ended up behind team sports and lumped in with the zoo FFS.

I'm sure you understand why it would be completely inappropriate to name the clubs where cases were transmitted.

Golf is not the only low risk covid activity, why are none of them open now? Did all those organisations all fail to score the open goal or shoot fish in a barrel too?

For all those that think Golf Ireland have failed, golf is the first organised mass participation sport to come back. Was there organised boating, kayaking, sailing or rock climbing during this lockdown? I could be wrong but I don't think there was. Aren't all these activities just as socially distant as golf? Where is their 'golfgate' that kept them closed?

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ShivasIrons wrote: »

Are you saying that Golf Ireland shouldn't have followed the Government's decision?

How are you suggesting tee times should be managed then to get more golfers around the course?

Towards the end of April, there will be close to 15 hours daylight, about 6am to 9pm. Let's use 7am as our starting time, with 9 hole two balls the last time can be 7:30pm, or 12 1/2 hours of tee times, its 15 golfers an hour with 2 balls at 8 minutes and 2 nines. That is about 370 golfers that can play with your club's times and in a timely fashion. If 1/6th of your members can only play that's nearly 2,000 members

If you want to have more in a group than 2, spacing between groups needs to be more and it takes longer to get around, so you can't have fourballs at 8 minute intervals, 10 minute intervals for fourballs is still not advisable, it clogs up the course, the minimum for 4 balls would be 12 minutes, that is 20 golfers an hour, last tee time to get 18 in would be 5 in late april, now you have 7 until 5 or 10 hours, that's 200 golfers to get to play 18. Which is better 200 playing 18 or 370 playing 9?

Covid restrictions last season meant you couldn't tee off until a member of staff was in the Club Shop. The club I was member in didn't open the club shop until 8.30am.

B-D-P--

Wombatman wrote: »

It might seem childish posting this......but I'm going to do it anyway. Common sense is often patently obvious to children.

"Dublin GAA stars broke rules on Covid gatherings with early morning training"

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-stars-broke-rules-on-covid-gatherings-with-early-morning-training-40263682.html

What does that have to do with golf?

Are you saying we should follow them and break the rules?

Kid Charlemagne

ShivasIrons wrote: »

I'm sure you understand why it would be completely inappropriate to name the clubs where cases were transmitted.

Actually on the contrary, the HSE/NPHET should have been a lot more open about where cases are being found. Be that golf courses or anything else. Track and trace is one thing but widespread public knowledge of hotspots is another..

Another example of govt treating us like idiots. They were the idiots who opened all the boozers up and let this run riot before Christmas. An apology wouldn't go astray.

Seve OB

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

Yeah gubment seem dead set on destroying small retail. Don't understand the logic. Was shocked to see click and collect not allowed either. Very "Anti Business" agenda at play in this country at the moment.

Click and collect hasn’t been allowed....... but tons of places doing it anyway for months.
Saw Argos open in blanch other day

benny79

Seve OB wrote: »

Click and collect hasn’t been allowed....... but tons of places doing it anyway for months.
Saw Argos open in blanch other day

Fair fcuks to them as well.. Nothing wrong with Click & Collect keeps jobs and companies afloat. The restrictions really should be on a country basis at this stage.

RGS

We need to look at the NI return to play protocols which I believe we will be using when we return.

Its the 2 household rule with 2 balls at 8 mins, 3 balls at 9 min intervals and 4 balls at 10 min intervals.

How a club uses its time sheet to facilitate the 3 variants will be down to each club.

Maybe 2 balls from early morning till mid day, 3 balls till 3pm and 4 balls after that.

I presume we will be in this 2 household rule until the next review is carried out.

opinionated3

........ Or clubs should just open timesheets as normal, advise their members of the government advice, and put the onus on the membership to adhere to the "rules". Who's gonna proactively police the two households rule? No one.