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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Netherlands, Germany as well as Sweden also always score high but aren't they examples of bad immigration polices.

And all are rebelling more and more against the "diversity is our strength" multiculturalist mantra, because those same bad immigration polices are impacting their culture negatively and for the most part over the last ten years and in far higher numbers than previously. But again somehow and magically Ireland will alone avoid this consistent trend that no other country has.

Why would we want to cleanse them of cultural traits ?
Personally Im just in favour of maintaining our own culture and cultural traits.

Robbie are you under the belief that without immigrants Ireland wouldn't have a health service ?

Mike Murdock wrote: »

And your question re: Doctors has been answered. Doctors/Nurses/Surgeons from outside the EU have been trained in Modern Western Medicine with modern techniques and some may even have gone to University or undergone Medical training/internships in the West.

Is it only Doctors that receive this specific western training the washes them clean of their culture. Or do any other professions have a similar cleansing effect on their students cultural traits?

Wibbs wrote: »

It seems to swing from one place to another, Finland, Norway, Switzerland are usually in the mix but the Danes tend to be consistently in the top three.

Netherlands, Germany as well as Sweden also always score high but aren't they examples of bad immigration polices.

Mike Murdock wrote: »

I always thought it was Costa Rica that was the happiest

It seems to swing from one place to another, Finland, Norway, Switzerland are usually in the mix but the Danes tend to be consistently in the top three.

Mike Murdock wrote: »

I always thought it was Costa Rica that was the happiest

But isn't it actually Finland
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2021/03/19/the-20-happiest-countries-in-the-world-in-2021/

Wibbs wrote: »

The Happiest nation on earth apparently and they've learned that the non integration of non Danish/European/"christian" cultures who are more of a negative than a positive on their society and social tax bill doesn't help with that happiness.

I always thought it was Costa Rica that was the happiest

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

You have posters who don't answer questions
Posters asking personal questions.
Posters going off on rants
And a moving the goal post gif.
And that's the last 2 pages

Edit: Add an ad hominem attack in the post below

But yeah it's me moving the goal posts.

I asked a question a while back after the thread had been mocking kebab shop owners as the only example of multicultiurism they like.
As to why a kebab shop owner is an example of multicultiurism but foreign born doctors are being labelled as just immigrants, do you want to answer that one.
Or should we post more gifs instead?

No-one is mocking kebab shop owners here, Robbie. We are mocking proponents of multi-culturalism that when pushed to answer about the benefits of Multiculturalism almost always bring up food as the primary, and only substantive, benefit of multiculturalism that they can think of.

And then they follow it up with a bunch of touchy-feely "brotherhood of man" type nonsense.

And your question re: Doctors has been answered. Doctors/Nurses/Surgeons from outside the EU have been trained in Modern Western Medicine with modern techniques and some may even have gone to University or undergone Medical training/internships in the West.

Bambi wrote: »

I quite like the cut of Denmarks gib these days.

The Happiest nation on earth apparently and they've learned that the non integration of non Danish/European/"christian" cultures who are more of a negative than a positive on their society and social tax bill doesn't help with that happiness.

Wibbs wrote: »

Deflection, appeal to emotion with little to back it up, avoidance of direct points raised and with some after all that fails run to inference and/or finally insult overt or direct.

Bambi wrote: »

I think he's angry.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

WrenBoy wrote: »

Did you really try the "I know you are but what am I ?" line ?

When what passes for argument fails... It's been an extremely consistent feature of this thread and on one side. Deflection, appeal to emotion with little to back it up, avoidance of direct points raised and with some after all that fails run to inference and/or finally insult overt or direct.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Yep the racists sure do move the goalposts a lot, that is very true Wibbs.

A perfect example that encapsulates much of the above. Deflection, avoidance and the lazy subverted hail mary insult of "racists". And every post reinforces it.

It's almost as if the argument has little merit beyond the surface or the jingoism of the Accepted Truth of multiculturalism? Though I suspect with many if not most it's much more about the acceptance of an Accepted Truth that few have actually examined very closely. I'd have included myself in that group too tbh. I had expected a significantly more robust argument for modern European multiculturalism than has been presented. That has genuinely surprised me. For me any societal Accepted Truth that is so hard to defend in measured terms is a pretty good sign it's not much of a Truth in the first place and shouldn't be Accepted so readily.

Oh and from what I can see here are the "goalposts" of the vast majority of the anti multiculturalism side and have been from the start:

Legal and controlled immigration of skilled people most likely to integrate into a society and that will add to the society is not at issue. This includes actual refugees and asylum seekers.

Illegal and uncontrolled immigration of the largely low and unskilled that will be potential and actual negatives and who don't integrate are the issues. Issues that are repeated pretty much verbatim in the experiences of every single so called multicultural nation in Europe that has gone down this road. That we have enough of an underclass already and we don't need to be wilfully adding to that, with even more intractable problems on top.

That Ireland's political and media class has decided after the facts of the above nations to ignore and deny their experiences and in some cases the clear democratic will of the Irish people in the case of trying to sneak birthright citizenship back in are more issues.

I think I've summed the majority view up and not a lot of goalposts have been moving there I'm afraid.

Deleted User wrote: »

Kebabs are a eastern dish which is part of the culture of many immigrants in much the same way Irish stew would be over abroad. Kebab shops, and other restaurants are introducing part of their culture through food.

Foreign born doctors are doctors who are immigrants. Nothing about their training would be foreign to the practices of doctors trained in Ireland. It's not about culture. That's probably why it's not an example of multiculturalism

Ok them being doctors means they leave behind the culture they grew up in and were educated in and it has no impact on them at all?

Kebabs were invented in Germany for Germans by a Turkish immigrant I believe.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I asked a question a while back after the thread had been mocking kebab shop owners as the only example of multicultiurism they like.
As to why a kebab shop owner is an example of multicultiurism but foreign born doctors are being labelled as just immigrants, do you want to answer that one.
Or should we post more gifs instead?

Kebabs are a eastern dish which is part of the culture of many immigrants in much the same way Irish stew would be over abroad. Kebab shops, and other restaurants are introducing part of their culture through food.

Foreign born doctors are doctors who are immigrants. Nothing about their training would be foreign to the practices of doctors trained in Ireland. It's not about culture. That's probably why it's not an example of multiculturalism

Deleted User wrote: »

That's nothing to do with my point. You seem to just go around throwing out irrelevant sentences that have nothing to do with what was said.

I think he's angry.

I quite like the cut of Denmarks gib these days.

WrenBoy wrote: »

Did you really try the "I know you are but what am I ?" line ?
Even you can do better than that Robbie.

You have posters who don't answer questions
Posters asking personal questions.
Posters going off on rants
And a moving the goal post gif.
And that's the last 2 pages

Edit: Add an ad hominem attack in the post below

But yeah it's me moving the goal posts.

I asked a question a while back after the thread had been mocking kebab shop owners as the only example of multicultiurism they like.
As to why a kebab shop owner is an example of multicultiurism but foreign born doctors are being labelled as just immigrants, do you want to answer that one.
Or should we post more gifs instead?

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Yep the racists sure do move the goalposts a lot, that is very true Wibbs.

Did you really try the "I know you are but what am I ?" line ?
Even you can do better than that Robbie.

Wibbs wrote: »

It helps to avoid questions and uncomfortable answers and if any replies do occur we get this.

It's been the modus operandi of the majority of those on the in favour side of this thread.

Yep the racists sure do move the goalposts a lot, that is very true Wibbs.

Deleted User wrote: »

That's nothing to do with my point. You seem to just go around throwing out irrelevant sentences that have nothing to do with what was said.

What?

Deleted User wrote: »

That's nothing to do with my point. You seem to just go around throwing out irrelevant sentences that have nothing to do with what was said.

It helps to avoid questions and uncomfortable answers and if any replies do occur we get this.

It's been the modus operandi of the majority of those on the in favour side of this thread.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Most immigration to Ireland is of the legal kind though isn't it?

That's nothing to do with my point. You seem to just go around throwing out irrelevant sentences that have nothing to do with what was said.

jmreire wrote: »

Robbie, quick question for you, have you actually ever lived in any of these Country's we are getting the asylum seekers and immigrants from? Middle East, Africa etc? Or even China, as you seem to know a lot about the legalistic status of VPNs and immigrants etc.

Have you ever lived in a direct provision centre?

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

So you cant form an opinion on it because its another country?

Is it only illegal migration to Ireland you have a problem with, or do you consider most migration to Ireland to be abhorrent?

Robbie, quick question for you, have you actually ever lived in any of these Country's we are getting the asylum seekers and immigrants from? Middle East, Africa etc? Or even China, as you seem to know a lot about the legalistic status of VPNs and immigrants etc.

Wibbs wrote: »

If you can't divine the difference between an educated and employed taxpaying legal migrant accessing a VPN and an undereducated and unemployed migrant who's never made a contribution to the host nation looking for a handout from the nation they recently entered illegally then I really don't know how to explain things to you. Though of course you well know the difference, but your argument hasn't a leg to stand on so these are all just hail mary deflections in an attempt to paper over those obvious cracks.

Obey the laws of the country your a guest in, isn't that one of the mantras of this thread!

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

This illegal activity is ok.
But applying for welfare through a government agency well that's just the worst kind of thing in the world.
:D

If you can't divine the difference between an educated and employed taxpaying legal migrant accessing a VPN and an undereducated and unemployed migrant who's never made a contribution to the host nation looking for a handout from the nation they recently entered illegally then I really don't know how to explain things to you. Though of course you well know the difference, but your argument hasn't a leg to stand on so these are all just hail mary deflections in an attempt to paper over those obvious cracks.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Do you have a problem with Irish emigrants in other countries?

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I did. Its none of my business what other Countries do. Good luck to them.

How more clear can I be?

So you cant form an opinion on it because its another country?

Is it only illegal migration to Ireland you have a problem with, or do you consider most migration to Ireland to be abhorrent?

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

How about you try mine again and this time offer your opinion?

I did. Its none of my business what other Countries do. Good luck to them.

How more clear can I be?

Wibbs wrote: »

Roll your eyes all you wish, but it's the conflation - and well you know it - of illegal and legal migration in the debate around multicultural Europe. What percentage of non EU migrants over the last 20 years came here through direct legal means for employment or education? Is it the majority? It is not. Quite the percentage came and got residence here because of the birthright passport loophole, of which well over 90% of whom wouldn't be allowed in or to stay today after it was closed. What percentage of legal non EU migrants are in receipt of social welfare and housing? Is it the majority? It is not.

Accessing a VPN(as most locals do too) Versus a lifetime of social welfare and increasing social problems. Yeah totally comparable. Loving the "well maybe he's not legal?" angle. :pac: The difference between here and places like China(and other nations in Asia) is he'd get short shrift as an illegal compared to here. He certainly wouldn't get social welfare or be in line with and even ahead of the locals for social housing. Welcome to the bottom of the barrel of your arguments. Scrapers will be provided.

China is far more oppressive and clearly far more into surveillance of their peoples. On the other hand you have a ciggie in a pub so... But that's another argument.

This illegal activity is ok.
But applying for welfare through a government agency well that's just the worst kind of thing in the world.

:D

So apart from sucking Cancer sticks in a pub you are saying China is more of a nanny state than Ireland right?

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

What dubious comparison?

The word immigrant doesn't of itself identify legal or illegal status immigrants the poster I replied to has clearly an issue with immigration to Ireland and has not stated that is only a problem with illegal migration. So it is a valid question!

:rolleyes:

Roll your eyes all you wish, but it's the conflation - and well you know it - of illegal and legal migration in the debate around multicultural Europe. What percentage of non EU migrants over the last 20 years came here through direct legal means for employment or education? Is it the majority? It is not. Quite the percentage came and got residence here because of the birthright passport loophole, of which well over 90% of whom wouldn't be allowed in or to stay today after it was closed. What percentage of legal non EU migrants are in receipt of social welfare and housing? Is it the majority? It is not.

Well I dont know that he has fulfilled all the legal obligations to be in China do I. For all I know he could well be in breach of local laws.

For example most foreigners in China use a VPN to access web services outside of China and without a license this would be illegal. Now we wouldn't want to support immigrants committing illegal activity would we.

Accessing a VPN(as most locals do too) Versus a lifetime of social welfare and increasing social problems. Yeah totally comparable. Loving the "well maybe he's not legal?" angle. :pac: The difference between here and places like China(and other nations in Asia) is he'd get short shrift as an illegal compared to here. He certainly wouldn't get social welfare or be in line with and even ahead of the locals for social housing. Welcome to the bottom of the barrel of your arguments. Scrapers will be provided.

As for decrying Ireland a Nanny state well then comparing it to the country he moved is valid.

Would you say Ireland is more or less a nanny state than China Wibbs?

China is far more oppressive and clearly far more into surveillance of their peoples. On the other hand you have a ciggie in a pub so...

But that's another argument.

Deleted User wrote: »

I only know one person who went to America as an illegal, they knew if they were caught they would be deported as it should be. I never heard anyone saying that they should be allowed to stay if caught. The attitude from everyone was if your caught, tough sh*t, deal with the consequences

Politicians and NGO's using illegal irish in America to justify illegal immigration in Ireland is just an attempt to force through amnesty here, which unfortunately is working.

Most immigration to Ireland is of the legal kind though isn't it?

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

That's for other Countries to decide.

How about my question?

How about you try mine again and this time offer your opinion?