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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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TomTomTim

Strumms wrote: »

We had a shortage of doctors..

We advertised for more..

Doctors came from Asia and beyond, great, they came to fill a skills shortage...

That’s a two way win for our citizens and those doctors... they are in receipt of better pay, better quality of life, better prospects etc. we are in receipt of more doctors, better healthcare ie. shorter waiting lists etc and their experience and expertise...

Those doctors both earn good money and make contributions..back.. they are contributing to society, it’s aims and overall wellbeing.. in addition to them filling a skills shortage...they pay tax on what they earn, they contribute, they buy their own food, pay their own rent / mortgages... they ‘contribute’ and put back in to the running and wellbeing of the state and their fellow citizens...

People coming here to attain a life based on simply and solely attaining financial benefits, property and whatever other life enhancing handouts... while putting zilch back..world of difference.

I don't think anyone here has ever even argued against skilled immigration, most are for it. So we're once again arguing against a position that none of us hold.

Strumms

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Foreign born and educated doctors with a high percentage coming from Asia and the middle east don't count towards the positive benefits of multiculturalism?

We had a shortage of doctors..

We advertised for more..

Doctors came from Asia and beyond, great, they came to fill a skills shortage...

That’s a two way win for our citizens and those doctors... they are in receipt of better pay, better quality of life, better prospects etc. we are in receipt of more doctors, better healthcare ie. shorter waiting lists etc and their experience and expertise...

Those doctors both earn good money and make contributions..back.. they are contributing to society, it’s aims and overall wellbeing.. in addition to them filling a skills shortage...they pay tax on what they earn, they contribute, they buy their own food, pay their own rent / mortgages... they ‘contribute’ and put back in to the running and wellbeing of the state and their fellow citizens...

People coming here to attain a life based on simply and solely attaining financial benefits, property and whatever other life enhancing handouts... while putting zilch back..world of difference. That’s a benefit to nobody.

Wanna come here ? Contribute... not prepared to ? Not welcome or shouldn’t be.

TomTomTim

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Are we still talking about immigrants who make up over 30% of our doctors coming from many different cultures to Ireland to live and work in our health service.

Once again, you think you've got a "gotcha", but your own comments has an implication in it that you don't even see. If these peoples cultures were so great, they'd likely never have to move to west to get a decent salary and life style in the first place.

[Deleted User]

Cordell wrote: »

No, I think I was quite clear, it's a benefit of immigration, not multiculturalism.

Are we still talking about immigrants who make up over 30% of our doctors coming from many different cultures to Ireland to live and work in our health service.

[Deleted User]

Tea drinker wrote: »

Well it's not just reportage, Hollywood / Netflix frequently show white men as old unviable, black men as young and virile. It's just a common PC theme in the shows.

As well as advertisements. If you ever see UK or US ads in particular, you would there's no such thing as a happy, functioning family with a white mother and father. Everything has to tick a box. Got to squeeze in the muslim trans woman of colour somewhere.

Cordell

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Foreign born and educated doctors with a high percentage coming from Asia and the middle east don't count towards the positive benefits of multiculturalism?

No, I think I was quite clear, it's a benefit of immigration, not multiculturalism.

[Deleted User]

Cordell wrote: »

Maybe I wasn't clear enough: they do count as a benefit of immigration, not multiculturalism.
Their skill and education are not multicultural, we want them schooled in western medicine, not that eastern acupuncture and chakra alignment crap.

Foreign born and educated doctors with a high percentage coming from Asia and the middle east don't count towards the positive benefits of multiculturalism?

Tea drinker

Deleted User wrote: »

That's the most dangerous thing about the media these days. It's not outright lies. It's the lies by omission, the careful wording of articles/headlines. Designed to drive certain narratives (Trump/Brexit = "bad", diversity/feminism = "good") etc.

Well it's not just reportage, Hollywood / Netflix frequently show white men as old unviable, black men as young and virile. It's just a common PC theme in the shows.

Cordell

Maybe I wasn't clear enough: they do count as a benefit of immigration, not multiculturalism.
Their skill and education are not multicultural, we want them schooled in western medicine, not that eastern acupuncture and chakra alignment crap.

[Deleted User]

Cordell wrote: »

The doctors and other highly skilled migrants are not a benefit of multiculturalism. They are skilled in fields like science and medicine which are part of the western culture.
Acupuncture will be an example of a positive of multiculturalism, if only acupuncture would be a real science and not a scam.
So yeah, good luck finding the benefits of multiculturalism.

The foreign born and educated health professionals don't count, right got ya.

:D:D

Cordell

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

If you can find not a single positive thing apart from kebab shops from all the immigration even in the last 20 years to Ireland that says more about you than anything else.

I mean the over 30% of doctors who are foreign born and trained who work in our health system obviously bring no benefit. Nor the foreign born and trained nurses.
Not a single one of them brings any positive benefit to Ireland.
Who needs healthcare, certainly not a country in the middle of a pandemic.

The doctors and other highly skilled migrants are not a benefit of multiculturalism. They are skilled in fields like science and medicine which are part of the western culture.
Acupuncture will be an example of a positive of multiculturalism, if only acupuncture would be a real science and not a scam.
So yeah, good luck finding the benefits of multiculturalism.

[Deleted User]

Mike Murdock wrote: »

Basically, yes. It seems to boil down to "Where can I order "exotic" food tonight because I am too lazy to cook my Spag Bol. And I can go into work/talk to friends and family and wax lyrical about this really cool "exotic" food I ate."

Usually these people have no kids so they are completely wrapped up in themselves. The type of people who wish they had a black friend.

[Deleted User]

Wibbs wrote: »

So after hundreds of pages the positives for multiculturalism still remain the same at some nebulous "culture" reference and food? The political philosophy always boils down to exoticism of the right kind and charity. In before "the Irish were immigrants too" reference.

If you can find not a single positive thing apart from kebab shops from all the immigration even in the last 20 years to Ireland that says more about you than anything else.

I mean the over 30% of doctors who are foreign born and trained who work in our health system obviously bring no benefit. Nor the foreign born and trained nurses.
Not a single one of them brings any positive benefit to Ireland.
Who needs healthcare, certainly not a country in the middle of a pandemic.

DeadHand

I suspect it would have been possible to diversify Ireland’s restaurants without a transformative influx that means at least one fifth of the people living in this Republic were not born here.

Mike Murdock

Wibbs wrote: »

So after hundreds of pages the positives for multiculturalism still remain the same at some nebulous "culture" reference and food? The political philosophy always boils down to exoticism of the right kind and charity. In before "the Irish were immigrants too" reference.

Basically, yes. It seems to boil down to "Where can I order "exotic" food tonight because I am too lazy to cook my Spag Bol. And I can go into work/talk to friends and family and wax lyrical about this really cool "exotic" food I ate."

jmreire

Wibbs wrote: »

So after hundreds of pages the positives for multiculturalism still remain the same at some nebulous "culture" reference and food? The political philosophy always boils down to exoticism of the right kind and charity. In before "the Irish were immigrants too" reference.

Yes,and always a positive "spin", no mention of any negatives at all, even in the face of a general realisation that multiculturism simply does not work, and Country's now putting the brakes on and becoming less welcoming.

Wibbs

So after hundreds of pages the positives for multiculturalism still remain the same at some nebulous "culture" reference and food? The political philosophy always boils down to exoticism of the right kind and charity. In before "the Irish were immigrants too" reference.

[Deleted User]

TomTomTim wrote: »

On the topic of not reporting things that are inconvenient. I can't seem to find the story about the Islamic protests in the UK in most places, it's not on the Journal or RTE's website from what I can see. How they can justify stuff like this is beyond me. I hate to repeat myself, but if was Christians doing similar, it would be prime time news all week.

That's the most dangerous thing about the media these days. It's not outright lies. It's the lies by omission, the careful wording of articles/headlines. Designed to drive certain narratives (Trump/Brexit = "bad", diversity/feminism = "good") etc.

Strumms

People seem to use ‘diversty’ as some sort of badge of honor...what’s the fascination with it ?

Where I live i cant look out my window and see any residential property that is obviously occupied by people of different ethnicities. It’s not culturally diverse..

I don’t feel I or my neighbors are at an advantage or disadvantage because of it.. it’s an older settled area that has been historically in demand due to the quality of the property builds and the location of the properties..and excellent transport links, the metro too will be a not too far walk..

Neighbors are well the originals are late 70’s - early 80’s, not very diverse, what does the area benefit from being more diverse ? Taxpayer won’t benefit,

Quality built houses, 3-4 bedrooms, big gardens, 3 bus routes, will have a metro stop nearby, college nearby ... all that dictates market rate... 440,000 - 550,000 grand for the detached corner properties, they should be bought up by the state, by US in the name of ‘diversity’ ?

ExMachina1000

bubblypop wrote: »

By diverse do you mean you saw lots of people with a different colour skin then yourself?
Why wouldn't you want to live in lucan? What is wrong with it?

Of course that's what I mean. What did you think I was referring to? Diversity of opinion was it?

Its too far away from the m1. It wouldn't suit. Plus the traffic is very slow

I also said I didn't know if it causes any problems because I don't live there. You left that bit out.

[Deleted User]

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Lucan seems to be a highly diverse area. I drove through the area during the week around the same time the schools were on lunch. Very diverse.
Is it a problem? I don't know I don't live there.
Would I want to live there? No I would not.

By diverse do you mean you saw lots of people with a different colour skin then yourself?
Why wouldn't you want to live in lucan? What is wrong with it?

jmreire

prishtinaboy99 wrote: »

Italian and chinese takeaways have hardly added to our taste pallets, ok after a night on the sauce.

Some good middle eastern cafes restaurants i have come across and how bad boy.

Nothing wrong with our Irish culture but nothing wrong with a bit of diversity either.

Maybe some Birre Peya diversity would be OK......:)

Cordell

Lemon Davis lll wrote: »

Vast majority of immigrant food businesses from Brussels to Balham to Boyle are identikit late night Kebabish/Pizza joints serving pretty crummy food.

The culinary dividend is greatly overstated.

And we have all the recipes already, we can stop now.

[Deleted User]

prishtinaboy99 wrote: »

If your small minded and fearful of change then you may have an issue.

IMHO anyone who starts a post this way, is small minded and fearful of others opinions. How can you claim to be interested in a discussion, when you lead with that kind of comment?

If your openminded who is able to see the benefits that immigrants bring through culture, food, innovation etc then Ireland will be a better place for it.

It's the "etc" that most of us are concerned about. Perhaps you could address those concerns rather than picking the parts with lowest possible impact on a host nation?

And considering "culture".. how do you feel about FGM being introduced into Ireland, since that's part of various cultures? If you're against aspects like FGM, are there other non-Irish cultural behaviors you'd be against.. or are you open to everything that other cultures bring into Ireland and expect the be accepted?

prishtinaboy99

Lemon Davis lll wrote: »

Vast majority of immigrant food businesses from Brussels to Balham to Boyle are identikit late night Kebabish/Pizza joints serving pretty crummy food.

The culinary dividend is greatly overstated.

Cant speak for the rest of Ireland as i left Ireland in 2005 but when I visit Cork there are some top notch restaurants there and many top notch foreign delicacies and im not talking late night kebabs or Pizzas either.

Lemon Davis lll

prishtinaboy99 wrote: »

Italian and chinese takeaways have hardly added to our taste pallets, ok after a night on the sauce.

Some good middle eastern cafes restaurants i have come across and how bad boy.

Nothing wrong with our Irish culture but nothing wrong with a bit of diversity either.

Vast majority of immigrant food businesses from Brussels to Balham to Boyle are identikit late night Kebabish/Pizza joints serving pretty crummy food.

The culinary dividend is greatly overstated.

prishtinaboy99

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Food? How many decades has Ireland had Italian chippers, Chinese restaurants and Indian takeaways?

It didn't take mass immigration to bring those things here. They are here anyway.

As for culture this is Ireland and one would expect our culture to be Irish.

Otherwise what are we? Just another western European country moulded in to the same morass of indistinguishable sameness.

Outside western Europe everywhere else is keeping their own culture. For some reason we are intent on diluting ours.

Italian and chinese takeaways have hardly added to our taste pallets, ok after a night on the sauce.

Some good middle eastern cafes restaurants i have come across and how bad boy.

Nothing wrong with our Irish culture but nothing wrong with a bit of diversity either.

Eric Cartman

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

In 1972 Ugandan Dictator, General Idi Amin ordered the explusion of Ugandas Asian community. Just before the deadline Thames Televisions 'This Week' reporter Johnathan Dimbleby visited Uganda to whitness the chaotic scenes first hand of Ugandas Asian community desperate to leave

uganda was much worse off for having removed them. Having watched many documentaries about it, the asian community really was the backbone of trade in the nation. The same went for white farmers in Zimbabwe and even recently white farmers in SA who've all left for Australia. These were clear examples of positive immigration and a very racist reactionary political stance to remove them with false promises of things getting better.

However these are incomparible to current desires to remove immigrants from europe as there is very little positive influence and what is positive is dragged way down by the overwhelmingly negative experience of non eu migrants in europe.

Kermit.de.frog

prishtinaboy99 wrote: »

If your small minded and fearful of change then you may have an issue.

If your openminded who is able to see the benefits that immigrants bring through culture, food, innovation etc then Ireland will be a better place for it.

Food? How many decades has Ireland had Italian chippers, Chinese restaurants and Indian takeaways?

It didn't take mass immigration to bring those things here. They are here anyway.

As for culture this is Ireland and one would expect our culture to be Irish.

Otherwise what are we? Just another western European country moulded in to the same morass of indistinguishable sameness.

Outside western Europe everywhere else is keeping their own culture. For some reason we are intent on diluting ours.

Doctor Roast

prishtinaboy99 wrote: »

If your small minded and fearful of change then you may have an issue.

If your openminded who is able to see the benefits that immigrants bring through culture, food, innovation etc then Ireland will be a better place for it.

I'm not buying it, what happens is you end up the same as every other multicultural place... Soulless, consumers, grey economic units with no real identity or social cohesion, anomic societies.... Plus the many many negatives versus the scant few "benefits"