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Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

Keano

Time to discuss what golf is going to look like for next year, maybe more, who knows.

What is your club doing? What would you like to see happen?

Mod note: we have done to death the restrictions(5k jumping to 20k in June) so this is not a thread for discussing that topic, take it to COVID-19 forum

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rickis tache

https://m.independent.ie/videos/golfers-go-for-midnight-tee-off-as-outdoor-fitness-clubs-reopen-in-england-40250038.html
This is what the clubs here will have to do should they only allow 2balls.

blue note

Cases are twice what they were last year. And you have these new variants. But you have the vaccines.

Overall we are probably in a worse position than this time last year and we're talking about easing rather than increasing restrictions.

Maybe a further lockdown is what's needed until the vaccines actually come in. People are talking about a raft of restrictions being lifted and individually you wouldn't really criticise any of them. But combined, maybe it's not such a good idea.

We'll see do the government take the easy option and relax restrictions or the ballsy one and keep them.

Kiith

Have you never sliced a ball into the car park before? Not a real golfer till you do :pac:

BENDYBINN

Kiith wrote: »

Lucky ****ers

Why the big net over the Carpark?

ForeRight

We will know tonight about 9pm but it’s started to stink of disappointment

Kiith

higster wrote: »

Why the que?

Course wasn't even open yet

benji79 wrote: »

All of a sudden this morning things not looking great for golf & tennis. Lots of the comment online seem to suggest it may not get the go ahead. Not sure what’s changed over weekend.

"Sources" have said NPHET are recommending another 6 weeks of lvl5. And of course their word is law according to our "leaders".

It would be hilarious if they opened inter county GAA, but not golf. All pretense of this being about safety would immediately be gone.

[Deleted User]

If children are allowed play GAA and horse training is allowed then golf courses should just go ahead and open up for members.

benji79

All of a sudden this morning things not looking great for golf & tennis. Lots of the comment online seem to suggest it may not get the go ahead. Not sure what’s changed over weekend.

higster

Kiith wrote: »

Lucky ****ers

Why the que?

blue note

The 25% membership income vs 25% members using the course versus 37% income versus 63% use is a very interesting stat. Whatever way you look at it, there's a hole in your finances unless you change things. They'll have to increase the annual sub. It won't be popular, but the books have to balance. They can increase how much they get per green fee round as well, but I can't see that covering the difference.

It's interesting to see that they were matching revenue with use before, I can't imagine it was a coincidence. It's a very fair way of doing it for a public course.

Stacksey

Inter country training can resume but not golf? There are no words

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376448714462625794?s=19

Mantis Toboggan

Golf courses in England back open from today but I'm seeing alot of them closed due to bad weather

gypsy79

redzerdrog wrote: »

Got the impression that was referring to Corballis regarding the 25% piece

It is Elmgreen I am nearly certain

Kiith

Lucky ****ers

ClutchIt

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Yeah plenty of clubs got away with it in the first lockdown, look I don't mind it if it's a small fee and the club are badly stuck for the money but it's another kick in the teeth for the members.

Any examples? I don't believe this

redzerdrog

Got the impression that was referring to Corballis regarding the 25% piece

slingerz

Fingers and toes crossed for positive news Tuesday!

Kingswood Rover

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Unless you know somebody. Nudge Nudge Wink Wink. Bit like the Beacon vaccines

lost their vaccination centre status today and rightly so, the head honcho in the Beacon I reckon will be gone and the school in question in a state of chaos with parents questioning the management.

callaway92

Mac_Lad71 wrote: »

Can always charge members for casual golf.

My own club did after lock down last year.

Lot's of members weren't happy about it but the time sheet was still full up.

If my Gym charged me extra for going in on top of my sub I’d move elsewhere.

High percentage chance I’d do the same if my golf club tried to pull that one. Couldn’t care less if time sheet was still full after-the-fact. It’s in really bad taste.

bustercherry

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Not sure if anyone posted this yet
https://irishgolfer.ie/podcast/

Ex CEO of the GUI Pat Finn, Head of Carr Golf Ed Pettit and Director of Golf at Ardglass Paul Vaughan

Alot of interesting relevant information in it although it's quite long.

Some highlights I'm paraphrasing but it was quite long and I may have missed or mis heard some

The GUI were very clearly against any kind of public shows of questioning or condeming the measures, and believes the quiet behind closed doors approach is why it was one of the first opened.

When it was asked about the accusations of poor communication he went on to explain about how he was in contact with Sport Ireland and others persons almost daily to get updates.

2Balls and time's between tee off etc were to give time for golfers to show they could be trusted, doesn't belive we should need to do this again, his own opinion of course.

Carr Golf explaining the issues with busy courses, the differences between how golf was played/revenue made from 2019 to 2020
20,000 new members
Members playing up to 40% more golf.
One course that had a split of 25% of members using 25% of the tee times with the rest green fees in 2019 to 25% of the members using 37% of the tee times in 2020.
One member who played 70+ rounds in 6mths complaing about tee time availability gave me a giggle.

I'm sure this is just the other side of the coin to what we would see from members but it did come across very defensive.

Plenty of those in every club. Some of our members were effectively named and shamed after they played 50% more golf last year than they did the previous despite with the course being closed during the lockdowns.

Too much orchestrated complaining to the committee about not getting value for subs backfired badly on a few them. Called out for what they are.

bustercherry

opinionated3 wrote: »

No offence, but what a load of unscientific rubbish. Looks like we have to wait till the 12th for some reason, and then wait more weeks for competitions. Does covid spread during counting competitions or something? Load of b/s.....

From the article

The Golfing Union of Ireland previously worked off a phased return to play with casual golf initially being permitted followed by closed and then open competitions in subsequent weeks.

We have already covered that there was a blanket ban on competitive sport reopening after the first lockdown. Golf Ireland decided on the club competition ban and casual golf only, not the government or NPHET, in order to comply with government policy on the reopening of outdoor sports. It was nothing to do with any science that said club competitions spread covid. Nothing in that article says that it will be the same this time round when they reopen.

dan_ep82

Not sure if anyone posted this yet
https://irishgolfer.ie/podcast/

Ex CEO of the GUI Pat Finn, Head of Carr Golf Ed Pettit and Director of Golf at Ardglass Paul Vaughan

Alot of interesting relevant information in it although it's quite long.

Some highlights I'm paraphrasing but it was quite long and I may have missed or mis heard some

The GUI were very clearly against any kind of public shows of questioning or condeming the measures, and believes the quiet behind closed doors approach is why it was one of the first opened.

When it was asked about the accusations of poor communication he went on to explain about how he was in contact with Sport Ireland and others persons almost daily to get updates.

2Balls and time's between tee off etc were to give time for golfers to show they could be trusted, doesn't belive we should need to do this again, his own opinion of course.

Carr Golf explaining the issues with busy courses, the differences between how golf was played/revenue made from 2019 to 2020
20,000 new members
Members playing up to 40% more golf.
One course that had a split of 25% of members using 25% of the tee times with the rest green fees in 2019 to 25% of the members using 37% of the tee times in 2020.
One member who played 70+ rounds in 6mths complaing about tee time availability gave me a giggle.

I'm sure this is just the other side of the coin to what we would see from members but it did come across very defensive.

Mantis Toboggan

opinionated3 wrote: »

Charging for casual golf on top of paying the full sub?? Madness.

Yeah plenty of clubs got away with it in the first lockdown, look I don't mind it if it's a small fee and the club are badly stuck for the money but it's another kick in the teeth for the members.

opinionated3

Mac_Lad71 wrote: »

Can always charge members for casual golf.

My own club did after lock down last year.

Lot's of members weren't happy about it but the time sheet was still full up.

Charging for casual golf on top of paying the full sub?? Madness.

Mac_Lad71

opinionated3 wrote: »

I sincerely hope so. Clubs need the revenue from competitions badly.

Can always charge members for casual golf.

My own club did after lock down last year.

Lot's of members weren't happy about it but the time sheet was still full up.

opinionated3

RGS wrote: »

Think when we go back we will be playing competitions. The return to golf in NI from this week is not confined to casual golf from my reading of the rules on the golf Ireland website.

https://www.golfireland.ie/news-detail?newsarticleid=116&tags=Covid-19;Golf%20Ireland%20HQ

I sincerely hope so. Clubs need the revenue from competitions badly.

RGS

opinionated3 wrote: »

No offence, but what a load of unscientific rubbish. Looks like we have to wait till the 12th for some reason, and then wait more weeks for competitions. Does covid spread during counting competitions or something? Load of b/s.....

Think when we go back we will be playing competitions. The return to golf in NI from this week is not confined to casual golf from my reading of the rules on the golf Ireland website.

https://www.golfireland.ie/news-detail?newsarticleid=116&tags=Covid-19;Golf%20Ireland%20HQ

opinionated3

Wombatman wrote: »

Good news. I'm optimistic. We'll know on Tuesday.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40253111.html

No offence, but what a load of unscientific rubbish. Looks like we have to wait till the 12th for some reason, and then wait more weeks for competitions. Does covid spread during counting competitions or something? Load of b/s.....

blue note

Mac_Lad71 wrote: »

I live in Cork which has a population of 500,000 and has one of the lowest, if not the lowest covid rates in the country.

It doesn't make sense on any level to keep us at Level 5 for another two months.

I live 25km approx from my club and as soon as it opens i'm playing regardless of nonsensical travel restrictions.

A guy was talking about regional lockdowns on the radio the other day. He was saying that they work for some things and not others. If it's something that people can travel for they don't work, because people will come from other areas and bring the virus with them. So you couldn't open up restaurants because they'd attract people to free region. Whereas you could open schools because they won't.

Sports clubs would be more similar to schools because it'll be predominately locals using them. Allowing green fees would be a problem though.

Wombatman

Good news. I'm optimistic. We'll know on Tuesday.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40253111.html