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Leinster Vs Munster Pro 14 final build up thread

[Deleted User]

To save two team threads getting messy

Here's a thread for you to get you started

Munster looking for their first silverware in 10 years
Leinster going for 4 in a row

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[Deleted User]

Munster: Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Damian de Allende, Keith Earls; Joey Carbery, Conor Murray; James Cronin, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne; Gavin Coombes, Peter O’Mahony (captain), CJ Stander.

And on the topic of distribution, bolded/underlined are players who have been 'redistributed' to Munster from various places, it's over half the team. So this is happening at scale already.

breezy1985

theVersatile wrote: »

Was Stringer ever a Lion? Was he ever widely considered to be the best 9 in the world?

Was Murray ever a European Cup winner. Stupid way of looking at things everything you list depends on who else existed in rugby at the time he played

Clegg

Leinster did a proper number on Beirne today. He was possibly the best player in the Six Nations, but was essentially marked out of the game today. We hammered every ruck he tried to get involved in and made sure to gang tackle him when he carried.

It also helped that we monopolised possession, so he couldn't influence the game with his carrying or offloading.

Burkie1203

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Ulster are well on their way to being the second best team in Ireland. Munster never looked close today and were flattered by the score at both half time and full time.

McFarland is a far better coach then JVG. He has greatly improved quite a few Ulster players especially in the tight 5

almostover

theVersatile wrote: »

That's a very different game if Porter gets red carded at the start of the game. I don't even mean that in the 15 v 14 sense, but just that it would've laid down a marker and stopped a lot of the nonsense at the breakdown - would've been a lot more open of a game if Adamson put the foot down early. Instead, it was a wild west shoot out with a Roulette Wheel deciding penalties given.

Swings and roundabouts. Farrell had a high shot not long after. Both should have been reviewed.

irishbucsfan

Munster have been given loads of resources. They’re not as good as they should be given the resources they’ve already been given. Maybe if they were, there’d be a case for redistribution, but that should be massively more aimed at investing in Connacht rather than doing anything more for Munster.

Strumms

wittycynic wrote: »

You can put any indivudal result down to a host of factors including coaching an indivudal performances. When you take a longer view and see that Munster have won just 2 of the last 15 fixtures between these team, and Leinster have now won 4 Pro 14s on the trot, it needs to be accepted that there is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed if contests between Leinster and other provinces are to be considered competitive or the game in this country is to be kept healthy.

The systematic success they achieved is because of talent, organization and hard work, on and off the pitch.. it’s a competitive sport, quite simply the onus is on the others to bridge the gap, to try to tug Leinster down a level, no.

[Deleted User]

That was enjoyable. There's a gulf between the teams, said before the game that other than Beirne Munster weren't up to much in the tight 5, and then as the game developed CJ just had no impact and POM is just POM. Leinster won up front comfortably, and squandered 3 or 4 try scoring chances.

breezy1985

sebdavis wrote: »

Ulster and Connacht have won more games than Munster against Leinster in the same period.

Silly child's way of looking at sport. Beating teams in league games and beating them in finals ain't the same

Clegg

Stringer had a better pass than Murray. Probably a better pass than any 9 in the world when he was playing.

But Murray had an all round game that was second to none. There's a reason why Stringer took Biarritz by surprise in the Heineken Cup final. He rarely made breaks and he rarely box kicked.

[Deleted User]

Deusexmachina wrote: »

lots of great players were never chosen for the Lions. Up until relatively recently, it was pure politics.

Murrays prime.was better than stringers. There was aaron smith vs murray conversations at one point

thomond2006

Deusexmachina wrote: »

No even close. Stringer was miles ahead of him.

Murray at his best vs Stringer at his best is not a contest. Murray, every time.

The Iron Giant

Ulster are well on their way to being the second best team in Ireland. Munster never looked close today and were flattered by the score at both half time and full time.

Deusexmachina

theVersatile wrote: »

Was Stringer ever a Lion? Was he ever widely considered to be the best 9 in the world?

lots of great players were never chosen for the Lions. Up until relatively recently, it was pure politics.

[Deleted User]

its_phil wrote: »

No bother and us in Connacht look forward to some of Munster resources being redistributed out west too.

Cheers pal.

Fwiw, I would agree 100% with this. The game would be better served by it.

Squidgy Black

wittycynic wrote: »

You can put any indivudal result down to a host of factors including coaching an indivudal performances. When you take a longer view and see that Munster have won just 2 of the last 15 fixtures between these team, and Leinster have now won 4 Pro 14s on the trot, it needs to be accepted that there is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed if contests between Leinster and other provinces are to be considered competitive or the game in this country is to be kept healthy.

We've an unbelievably healthy level of competition in the country, Ulster were second in their group almost undefeated, Munster topped their group, and Connacht (despite their recent couple of results) were pretty dominant in the competition too.

What you mean to say is that you want to bring Leinster down a level, which would be absolutely daft in the eyes of the IRFU to let the revenue Leinster generate in terms of competition money and having national team players winning domestic and european competitions.

Instead it should be looking at a way to boost the other provinces even further as opposed to robbing Peter to pay Paul.

theVersatile

Deusexmachina wrote: »

No even close. Stringer was miles ahead of him.

Was Stringer ever a Lion? Was he ever widely considered to be the best 9 in the world?

mamaz

Clegg wrote: »

Playing Benny Benassi as the trophy celebration song.

We're taking the piss.

Love it.

They were playing 'Hate it or love it' by The Game at half time uncensored too!

breezy1985

Clegg wrote: »

Nonsense.

Murray is our greatest ever 9 and was the best scrum half in the world for a couple of years. He's clearly not the play he was due to injury, but don't underplay the level he reached and the trophies he's won due to performance silver recent seasons.

How does injury affect whether or not you stand around staring at the ball for ages. Too concerned with being the big man having to do everything himself even does all the defensive kicking with a world class outhalf behind him.

He suited Irelands style of play under Schmidt but I would take Stringer over him any day if we are talking about the best

Clegg

Playing Benny Benassi as the trophy celebration song.

We're taking the piss.

Love it.

dregin

Delighted to see Benty lift the cup. Absolute hero.

Deusexmachina

Clegg wrote: »

Nonsense.

Murray is our greatest ever 9 and was the best scrum half in the world for a couple of years. He's clearly not the play he was due to injury, but don't underplay the level he reached and the trophies he's won due to performance silver recent seasons.

No even close. Stringer was miles ahead of him.

The Iron Giant

Clearly Michael Bent is heading off. Great servant to Leinster.

Larbre34

As a Leinster fan, it'd be far preferable to see Munster pulling up trees for the good of the game in this Nation.

Munster were worse today than the sum of their parts and for me thats down to piss poor coaching at this level. VanGraan is indeed a spoofer, time to lift the phone to Mark McCall I suggest.

sebdavis

wittycynic wrote: »

You can put any indivudal result down to a host of factors including coaching an indivudal performances. When you take a longer view and see that Munster have won just 2 of the last 15 fixtures between these team, and Leinster have now won 4 Pro 14s on the trot, it needs to be accepted that there is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed if contests between Leinster and other provinces are to be considered competitive or the game in this country is to be kept healthy.

Ulster and Connacht have won more games than Munster against Leinster in the same period.

Munster problem is coaching. They have the players

Clegg

They let Bent lift the trophy first.

Bloody love that.

its_phil

wittycynic wrote: »

Munster, or any province other than Leinster, don't have the resources to put a universally high quality team together. It just comes back to the fact that Leinster's structural advantages have and will keep them ahead of all other Irish provinces in perpetuity.

Munster have won 7 of the last 30 fixtures between the teams, and just 2 of the last 15. Unless the IRFU aggressively redistributes Leinster's resources, especially its playing resources, to other provcines, games between Leinster and another province will always have the air of a forgone conclusion about them.

No bother and us in Connacht look forward to some of Munster resources being redistributed out west too.

Cheers pal.

[Deleted User]

Considering all the emotional hype this week for Munster that was an epic failure. Imagine the score if Leinster had finished better.

cameramonkey

I also think Munster's problems are at the coach level. They are bereft of ideas. I also don't think their players are as good but today they were uninspiring. I don't think they will be going any place with the coaching setup they have.

stephen_n

wittycynic wrote: »

If we want to maintain a competitive and healthy game in this country, it will have to.

Do the IRFU care about that? Leinster are the best coached, best organized province in the country. That are producing talent for the Irish team. Risking forcing players to go play for provinces they don’t want to. Just to make other provinces who aren’t producing players more competitive. It’s high risk and makes no sense.