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Leinster Vs Munster Pro 14 final build up thread

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To save two team threads getting messy

Here's a thread for you to get you started

Munster looking for their first silverware in 10 years
Leinster going for 4 in a row

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Deusexmachina

salmocab wrote: »

Absolutely everyone in the media over estimated the Stander effect

I don't know why we go one about 'emotion' and 'passion' in rugby. The best team wins.

letowski

Munster just really don’t have a good enough attack to beat Leinster. The last 2 games they’ve gone full halves without scoring. Just not good enough unfortunately.

durthacht

wittycynic wrote: »

Munster, or any province other than Leinster, don't have the resources to put a universally high quality team together. It just comes back to the fact that Leinster's structural advantages have and will keep them ahead of all other Irish provinces in perpetuity.

Munster have won 7 of the last 30 fixtures between the teams, and just 2 of the last 15. Unless the IRFU aggressively redistributes Leinster's resources, especially its playing resources, to other provcines, games between Leinster and another province will always have the air of a forgone conclusion about them.

How would they do that exactly? How would they force people to move somewhere they may not want to go?

Bridge93

wittycynic wrote: »

Munster, or any province other than Leinster, don't have the resources to put a universally high quality team together. It just comes back to the fact that Leinster's structural advantages have and will keep them ahead of all other Irish provinces in perpetuity.

Munster have won 7 of the last 30 fixtures between the teams, and just 2 of the last 15. Unless the IRFU aggressively redistributes Leinster's resources, especially its playing resources, to other provcines, games between Leinster and another province will always have the air of a forgone conclusion about them.

Leinster down a pile of first teamers didn’t get out of second gear and should’ve won by double what they did. None of leinsters advantages forced munster to play that ****. Look closer to home for excuses

sebdavis

Sterling Archer wrote: »

As a Munster man that was one of the worst performances I've seen, shocking, Murray is just a dose at this stage

If I was a Leinster fan I'd be furious they didn't score more

And the officials today for such a big game were awful for both sides

Not furious at all.....its a good experience for the young lads and gives them a few lessons that they should take their chances

[Deleted User]

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well that's not going to happen. And even if resources were "redistributed", Leinster were already down multiple players today and there's still a big gap there.

If we want to maintain a competitive and healthy game in this country, it will have to.

Squidgy Black

wittycynic wrote: »

Munster, or any province other than Leinster, don't have the resources to put a universally high quality team together. It just comes back to the fact that Leinster's structural advantages have and will keep them ahead of all other Irish provinces in perpetuity.

Munster have won 7 of the last 30 fixtures between the teams, and just 2 of the last 15. Unless the IRFU aggressively redistributes Leinster's resources, especially its playing resources, to other provcines, games between Leinster and another province will always have the air of a forgone conclusion about them.

The issue isn't that Munster don't have the players, the teams today on paper were pretty evenly matched as pretty much every pundit alluded to, and a lot of posters.

Munster are just poorly coached at the moment. They have no effective game plan to utilise their backline at all, everything's just stagnant and relies on Murray's boxkicks to get them yards in the hopes of the back three getting possession

breezy1985

crossman47 wrote: »

Spot on.

I'm ashamed to support a team who's fans whinge and cry so much about this. It hilarious when the team that has the resources to keep coming second can complaint so much. Do you bring this point up when we are beating the arse off Newport or the Italians.

It's like Kerry with all their all Irelands and a million Munster titles crying into their flatcaps over the Dubs

Deusexmachina

breezy1985 wrote: »

We won't have an attack with Murray. His main goal is to stand over the ball posing a while before pointlessly boxkicking

The most overrated Irish player of the last 10 years.

irishbucsfan

wittycynic wrote: »

If we want to maintain a competitive and healthy game in this country, it will have to.

Cool

theVersatile

That's a very different game if Porter gets red carded at the start of the game. I don't even mean that in the 15 v 14 sense, but just that it would've laid down a marker and stopped a lot of the nonsense at the breakdown - would've been a lot more open of a game if Adamson put the foot down early. Instead, it was a wild west shoot out with a Roulette Wheel deciding penalties given.

Akrasia

Well done to Leinster. Munster made far too many mistakes today

razorblunt

Squidgy Black wrote: »

The issue isn't that Munster don't have the players, the teams today on paper were pretty evenly matched as pretty much every pundit alluded to, and a lot of posters.

Munster are just poorly coached at the moment. They have no effective game plan to utilise their backline at all, everything's just stagnant and relies on Murray's boxkicks to get them yards in the hopes of the back three getting possession

I agree.

I don’t think Munster are operating to the high standards that Leinster do, day in day out for example.
I also think (and it might just be me) but Larkham gets railroaded when it comes to big games.

kuang1

letowski wrote: »

Munster just really don’t have a good enough attack to beat Leinster. The last 2 games they’ve gone full halves without scoring. Just not good enough unfortunately.

This.

The number of times Munster go for long periods in big games without scoring is just demoralising.

Sterling Archer

So Munster are what? The 3rd best team in Ireland by the looks of today

mun1

Well done Leinster , by far the better hungrier team on the day. Enjoy the win.

theVersatile

Sterling Archer wrote: »

So Munster are what? The 3rd best team in Ireland by the looks of today

The fact they were in the final would suggest second?

Deusexmachina

Sterling Archer wrote: »

So Munster are what? The 3rd best team in Ireland by the looks of today

Don't be a lousy winner.

Clegg

Deusexmachina wrote: »

The most overrated Irish player of the last 10 years.

Nonsense.

Murray is our greatest ever 9 and was the best scrum half in the world for a couple of years. He's clearly not the play he was due to injury, but don't underplay the level he reached and the trophies he's won due to performance silver recent seasons.

[Deleted User]

Squidgy Black wrote: »

The issue isn't that Munster don't have the players, the teams today on paper were pretty evenly matched as pretty much every pundit alluded to, and a lot of posters.

Munster are just poorly coached at the moment. They have no effective game plan to utilise their backline at all, everything's just stagnant and relies on Murray's boxkicks to get them yards in the hopes of the back three getting possession

You can put any indivudal result down to a host of factors including coaching an indivudal performances. When you take a longer view and see that Munster have won just 2 of the last 15 fixtures between these team, and Leinster have now won 4 Pro 14s on the trot, it needs to be accepted that there is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed if contests between Leinster and other provinces are to be considered competitive or the game in this country is to be kept healthy.

Sterling Archer

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Don't be a lousy winner.

Munster fan.. and it's my honest opinion, we have gone nowhere in the last few years while the other 3 have made progress

mamaz

As a Munster fan, Leinster having a better setup etc etc had nothing to do with the result today, on paper it looked a close one. The ref was brutal for both teams so can't blame him. Leinster could've and should've won by 20+

Sh**e game overall and the better team won.

theVersatile

Clegg wrote: »

Nonsense.

Murray is our greatest ever 9 and was the best scrum half in the world for a couple of years. He's clearly not the play he was due to injury, but don't underplay the level he reached and the trophies he's won due to performance silver recent seasons.

Thank you - I was very ready to launch into a tirade of expletives but you put it in far better terms.

stephen_n

wittycynic wrote: »

If we want to maintain a competitive and healthy game in this country, it will have to.

Do the IRFU care about that? Leinster are the best coached, best organized province in the country. That are producing talent for the Irish team. Risking forcing players to go play for provinces they don’t want to. Just to make other provinces who aren’t producing players more competitive. It’s high risk and makes no sense.

cameramonkey

I also think Munster's problems are at the coach level. They are bereft of ideas. I also don't think their players are as good but today they were uninspiring. I don't think they will be going any place with the coaching setup they have.

[Deleted User]

Considering all the emotional hype this week for Munster that was an epic failure. Imagine the score if Leinster had finished better.

its_phil

wittycynic wrote: »

Munster, or any province other than Leinster, don't have the resources to put a universally high quality team together. It just comes back to the fact that Leinster's structural advantages have and will keep them ahead of all other Irish provinces in perpetuity.

Munster have won 7 of the last 30 fixtures between the teams, and just 2 of the last 15. Unless the IRFU aggressively redistributes Leinster's resources, especially its playing resources, to other provcines, games between Leinster and another province will always have the air of a forgone conclusion about them.

No bother and us in Connacht look forward to some of Munster resources being redistributed out west too.

Cheers pal.

Clegg

They let Bent lift the trophy first.

Bloody love that.

sebdavis

wittycynic wrote: »

You can put any indivudal result down to a host of factors including coaching an indivudal performances. When you take a longer view and see that Munster have won just 2 of the last 15 fixtures between these team, and Leinster have now won 4 Pro 14s on the trot, it needs to be accepted that there is a systemic issue that needs to be addressed if contests between Leinster and other provinces are to be considered competitive or the game in this country is to be kept healthy.

Ulster and Connacht have won more games than Munster against Leinster in the same period.

Munster problem is coaching. They have the players

Larbre34

As a Leinster fan, it'd be far preferable to see Munster pulling up trees for the good of the game in this Nation.

Munster were worse today than the sum of their parts and for me thats down to piss poor coaching at this level. VanGraan is indeed a spoofer, time to lift the phone to Mark McCall I suggest.