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Leinster Vs Munster Pro 14 final build up thread

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To save two team threads getting messy

Here's a thread for you to get you started

Munster looking for their first silverware in 10 years
Leinster going for 4 in a row

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bayern

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Is Frawley injured?

he is carrying a shoulder injury, expect him to get surgery once season ends.

molloyjh

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Is Frawley injured?

Hes in the training pics training away so it doesn't look like it. Although as above he is def still carrying the shoulder injury.

theVersatile

I imagine this will act has Harry Byrnes Munster trial before we bring him down to replace JJ

stephen_n

All the pundits seem to be favoring Munster it would seem. Hopefully Frano weighs in with them.

thomond2006

theVersatile wrote: »

I imagine this will act has Harry Byrnes Munster trial before we bring him down to replace JJ

In fact, I think Munster should get both Harry Byrne and Frawley, in case one of them doesn't work.

aloooof

stephen_n wrote: »

All the pundits seem to be favoring Munster it would seem. Hopefully Frano weighs in with them.

Which pundits?

theVersatile

Given the amount of stick POM, Murray and Kleyn get from Leinster fans, I hope they'll come out firing on Saturday.

salmocab

theVersatile wrote: »

Given the amount of stick POM, Murray and Kleyn get from Leinster fans, I hope they'll come out firing on Saturday.

Kleyn?

sydthebeat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqjetoF55NE

theVersatile

salmocab wrote: »

Kleyn?

Probably doesn't happen as much as before but plenty still hold a grudge from him leapfrogging Toner two years ago.

Was going to out down Stander but in fairness more of his guff was just from raging xenophobes rather than Leinster fans.

bayern

theVersatile wrote: »

Given the amount of stick POM, Murray and Kleyn get from Leinster fans, I hope they'll come out firing on Saturday.

Same applied to Conan, JVDF, Kelleher, McGrath etc. etc.

sydthebeat

bayern wrote: »

Same applied to Conan, JVDF, Kelleher, McGrath etc. etc.

Ehhh

Lowe??

theVersatile

bayern wrote: »

Same applied to Conan, JVDF, Kelleher, McGrath etc. etc.

JVDF and McGrath haven't exactly copped a lot of red criticism though? Kelleher was rightly criticised by the entire country for dodgy darts - the only one who got any sort of actual fuel in the fire is probably Conan

Former Former Former

theVersatile wrote: »

Probably doesn't happen as much as before but plenty still hold a grudge from him leapfrogging Toner two years ago.

I don't think anyone holds a grudge against Kleyn for that? Wasn't his fault like.

TBH I don't think anyone has any strong feelings about him one way or the other.

[Deleted User]

theVersatile wrote: »

JVDF and McGrath haven't exactly copped a lot of red criticism though? Kelleher was rightly criticised by the entire country for dodgy darts - the only one who got any sort of actual fuel in the fire is probably Conan

Just checking, were any of the Munster players you mentioned 'rightly criticised' or has it all been a big outrageous provincial witch hunt?

bayern

Former Former Former wrote: »

I don't think anyone holds a grudge against Kleyn for that? Wasn't his fault like.

TBH I don't think anyone has any strong feelings about him one way or the other.

Yeah he simply shouldn't have went to RWC.

BoardsMember

theVersatile wrote: »

Probably doesn't happen as much as before but plenty still hold a grudge from him leapfrogging Toner two years ago.

Was going to out down Stander but in fairness more of his guff was just from raging xenophobes rather than Leinster fans.

I dont think u need to be xenophobe to want Ireland to pick Irish players that have come up through underage rugby and are as good or better than imports. Its not a good look, not what a proud rugby nation should be doing..edge cases should go the direction of people who came through the system.

theVersatile

Interested Observer wrote: »

Just checking, were any of the Munster players you mentioned 'rightly criticised' or has it all been a big outrageous provincial witch hunt?

FWIW I've always thought the Murray criticism was far overblown (post history will back this up).

And let's be honest - the POM stuff went far beyond simple constrictive criticism. No point in kidding ourselves. I'd argue the Murray stuff did too. Lowe and JGP are probably similar Leinster examples rather than anyone Bayern mentioned.

Jump_In_Jack

theVersatile wrote: »

JVDF and McGrath haven't exactly copped a lot of red criticism though? Kelleher was rightly criticised by the entire country for dodgy darts - the only one who got any sort of actual fuel in the fire is probably Conan

Ruddock will be fuelled as well in that regard, considering how many times he's been overlooked for O'Mahony.
Assuming they will both be starting 6 it will be interesting.
Read an article yesterday that Ruddock has dropped weight this year to try to gain more dynamism, he has undoubtedly elevated his performances to a new level this season.

thomond2006

Former Former Former wrote: »

I don't think anyone holds a grudge against Kleyn for that? Wasn't his fault like.

TBH I don't think anyone has any strong feelings about him one way or the other.

It was evil Kleyn's fault for being selected. Do keep up.

bayern

theVersatile wrote: »

FWIW I've always thought the Murray criticism was far overblown (post history will back this up).

And let's be honest - the POM stuff went far beyond simple constrictive criticism. No point in kidding ourselves. I'd argue the Murray stuff did too. Lowe and JGP are probably similar Leinster examples rather than anyone Bayern mentioned.

Conan, JVDF and McGrath are regularly called not good enough for Ireland by munster fans.

[Deleted User]

theVersatile wrote: »

FWIW I've always thought the Murray criticism was far overblown (post history will back this up).

And let's be honest - the POM stuff went far beyond simple constrictive criticism. No point in kidding ourselves. I'd argue the Murray stuff did too. Lowe and JGP are probably similar Leinster examples rather than anyone Bayern mentioned.

So, no rightful criticism for Munster players it seems.

aloooof

Interested Observer wrote: »

So, no rightful criticism for Munster players it seems.

As is good and proper.

The Inbetween is mine

bayern wrote: »

Conan, JVDF and McGrath are regularly called not good enough for Ireland by munster fans.

JVDF is highly thought of in Munster I can tell you that.

theVersatile

bayern wrote: »

Conan, JVDF and McGrath are regularly called not good enough for Ireland by munster fans.

Conan yes - the other two not a hope. All you have to do is look in the Leinster thread and go through the pages upon pages of JGP v McGrath arguments to see that Leinster fans still have doubts upon his passing. Attributing that to Munster fans is complete horse manure.

Same with JVDF, I don't think I've ever seen anybody from anywhere say he's not good enough for Ireland - considering he was a mainstay in the starting XV up until this Six Nations campaign. Sure some might have said POM and Connors should be starting ahead - but nobody outright said VDF isn't international level. Again, attributing such comments to "Munster fans" in general is faeces of the bull variety.

bayern

Since the 2011 Magners final, the score is 17-5 in Leinster’s favour.

theVersatile

Interested Observer wrote: »

So, no rightful criticism for Munster players it seems.

The point isn't that the criticism they faced wasn't rightful. The point was that once the constructive criticism stopped, the vitriol and abuse started which is not on.

"POM's red was brain dead and cost us the game" = acceptable.

"POM should never be seen in an Irish Jersey again - disgraceful c**t" = not okay.

Jump_In_Jack

bayern wrote: »

Yeah he simply shouldn't have went to RWC.

That's the type of BS that's been being passed off as fact by Leinster fans in particular for the last 2 years.

Roux was ill that summer and couldn't feature, and Schmidt said he needed a dedicated tight side lock, and at the time like it or not Kleyn was the best option available to fill that role.

Henderson and Ryan were the starting locks and Schmidt wanted Beirne and another tight side lock.

Simply, at the time, Toner wasn't performing well enough, he had struggled to regain form after an ankle injury and Schmidt made a selection call to take Kleyn instead.

Since then in particular Leinster fans have been hyper-critical of his performances. It's petty and obvious.
JK hasn't reached his best form in a while, but at the time he was the best option available.

[Deleted User]

theVersatile wrote: »

The point isn't that the criticism they faced wasn't rightful. The point was that once the constructive criticism stopped, the vitriol and abuse started which is not on.

"POM's red was brain dead and cost us the game" = acceptable.

"POM should never be seen in an Irish Jersey again - disgraceful c**t" = not okay.

I've never called him a 'disgraceful ****' but I'm 10000% fine with the sentiment he shouldn't play for Ireland again, is that ok?

irishbucsfan

Have people been hyper critical of Kleyn?

Have to say I haven’t even seen much mention of him at all in a while.

If people were saying he shouldn’t be in contention for Ireland... well I don’t think there’s any argument at all that there are guys well ahead of him now