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United Ireland Poll - please vote

bonzothedog

Simple question - if there was a poll for a United Ireland would you vote yes or no - or yes but it would have to happen within 10 years.

Assumptions - there is economic sense to it and that Ireland can afford it.

The majority of the north want it and opinion polls are showing this. The background work has been done and the unionists though far from happy have reluctantly agreed with accepting the vote's result.

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[Deleted User]

Wow, interesting results. Obviously not scientific in any sense but who knows how this will go eventually...

drdidlittle

How about they learn to stand on their own feet for 50 years in then let them decide. No influence from Dublin or London. A successful state of Northern Ireland, own currency, own tax funding a functioning economy.
Then we'll talk.

Eric Cartman

Yes in theory but NI has to get on a serious development plan till it can cover its own pensions and welfare bill. We can't tax the south to pay for it.

Economics101

"Assumptions - there is economic sense to it and that Ireland can afford it".

Given those assumptions, you will get useless answers. NI is an economic basket case: merging with it would be crazy. That's as well as it being a political basket case.

Under the GFA, does re-unification require a majority in the ROI as well as NI? A point often ignored.

maestroamado

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Have two countries ever merged together successfully let alone peacefully?

This is one Country...

Zaph

osarusan wrote: »

Needs a 4th option along the lines of 'whenever everything is agreed' rather than 'within 10 years'.

I don't believe we are within 10 years of a United Ireland.

I read that, perhaps incorrectly, as once everything is agreed it should be within 10 years of that, rather than within the next 10 years from now. Nobody could honestly suggest that everything would be fully agreed and ready for a poll by 2031, could they?

Either way, I voted no. Unless they discover the world's largest diamond mine under the Giant's Causeway that would independently sustain the NI economy for many years to come, we'd be basically destroying the Republic's economy to support a pipe dream, and for what purpose? Like what's it actually going to achieve, apart from there only being one country on the island? So what? There's also a significant portion of the population there that wouldn't want to be part of a united Ireland and would only be there under duress. They couldn't even count on the rest of Britain taking them in given how they've treated citizens of other countries they've left, most recently Hong Kong.

Junkyard Tom

If there's a pro-UI vote in the north it will be a case of how it is brought about not if, regardless of a no vote.

maestroamado

I am kinda surprised how low the vote for UI be as i thought it be about 3-way tie yes/no/don't know'
Personally today i do not know but when it be dressed up and the necessary political changed North and South i probably be yes.
There seems to be no political will in this country for it to happen, the UK semm to be indifferent and it costs a wee-bit to run...

Tazz T

osarusan wrote: »

Needs a 4th option along the lines of 'whenever everything is agreed' rather than 'within 10 years'.

I don't believe we are within 10 years of a United Ireland.

The way things are going it's not inconceivable that within ten years time, the EU could have gone to war with the UK and shared the England portion between Wales, Scotland and Ireland, all now separate states within the EU.

[Deleted User]

And lose the annual booze run to Newry? Madness.

maccored

how can you vote on something that hasnt been discussed with all the options looked at?

FrancieBrady

Fred Cryton put his finger on the answer to why there has been no political will up to now...'extra SF voters'.

That was the crippling fear of previous governments. The rise of SF has made it imperative that they try to gain ownership of a UI - hence the Shared Island Unit and Leo's very strong pro UI statements of late.

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And lose the annual booze run to Newry? Madness.

Halloween would be banger free at last. Although we'd have bigger explosions all year around.

wicklowstevo

don't want them
don't need them
cant pay for them
brits can keep them
the "republican" movements are a great outlet for the idiots of the country , it keep them out of the way most of the time

end of the road

wicklowstevo wrote: »

don't want them
don't need them
cant pay for them
brits can keep them
the "republican" movements are a great outlet for the idiots of the country , it keep them out of the way most of the time

we definitely can pay for them, the current costs of northern ireland are uk specific costs and would not exist as part of a UI.

wicklowstevo

end of the road wrote: »

we definitely can pay for them, the current costs of northern ireland are uk specific costs and would not exist as part of a UI.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/09/17/news/united-ireland-would-cost-up-to-30-billion-a-year-and-collapse-north-s-economy--1714127/

they haven't gone away you know ,
still a massive organised crime gang masquerading as a political party requiring a lot of that investment for security

[Deleted User]

The poll is very heartening so far. A very definite no from me.

Feisar

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Not a chance. Why would we want to bring in another 300,000 SF voters into this country? Alongside about a million Unionists who hate all of us.

It's as logical as saying why don't we merge our house with the neighbour house, and create a single family in a bigger house. Absurd and a recipe for disaster.

Just wait until we talk about the taxes going up to pay for it. Won't be the shinners paying for it, will be the middle classes and the higher rate taxpayers.

:eek:

wicklowstevo

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The poll is very heartening so far. A very definite no from me.

well remember regardless of how the poll ends the shinners will claim to have won anyway :pac::pac::pac:

[Deleted User]

end of the road wrote: »

we definitely can pay for them, the current costs of northern ireland are uk specific costs and would not exist as part of a UI.

Have you factored in the amount of kerb-painting that we'd need down south, though? That's gotta add up.

end of the road

wicklowstevo wrote: »

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/09/17/news/united-ireland-would-cost-up-to-30-billion-a-year-and-collapse-north-s-economy--1714127/

they haven't gone away you know ,
still a massive organised crime gang masquerading as a political party requiring a lot of that investment for security

the current costs are around 12000000000 and falling, no way those costs would ever rise to 30000000000 under a UI, never mind rise full stop.
they will go down dramatically as the uk specific costs such as all the contributions will no longer exist, not to mention the security bill is not going to be that big given millitant unionism is not far off being dead and the IRA are no more.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you factored in the amount of kerb-painting that we'd need down south, though? That's gotta add up.

we could get the ffg and DUP politicians out to paint them and the catholic church to buy the paint.

Feisar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Fred Cryton put his finger on the answer to why there has been no political will up to now...'extra SF voters'.

That was the crippling fear of previous governments. The rise of SF has made it imperative that they try to gain ownership of a UI - hence the Shared Island Unit and Leo's very strong pro UI statements of late.

Not only would we have the anchor around our necks of the North's economy, we'd have SF in power! The current banana republic would look like some sort of Jacque Fresco styled utopia in comparison.

wicklowstevo

end of the road wrote: »

the current costs are around 12000000000 and falling, no way those costs would ever rise to 30000000000 under a UI, never mind rise full stop.
they will go down dramatically as the uk specific costs such as all the contributions will no longer exist, not to mention the security bill is not going to be that big given millitant unionism is not far off being dead and the IRA are no more.

so you neither read the article

understand the population difference between ROI and UK

nor the political situation in NI

still a valuable contributions about the kerbs

Ronaldinho

boogerballs wrote: »

What can really be gained from a United Ireland truthfully, what is the point of it?

Vanity project for politicians.

FrancieBrady

Feisar wrote: »

Not only would we have the anchor around our necks of the North's economy, we'd have SF in power! The current banana republic would look like some sort of Jacque Fresco styled utopia in comparison.

We have a Tanaiste under criminal investigation while we wait for the Moriarty Report after having just had Mother and Babies report and just after being driven off a cliff in 2008.

Sure lets stick with that...eh?

Feisar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We have a Tanaiste under criminal investigation while we wait for the Moriarty Report after having just had Mother and Babies report and just after being driven off a cliff in 2008.

Sure lets stick with that...eh?

Exactly, it'd seem idyllic compared to the madness!

Dr Turk Turkelton

If it does happen I'll be richer than Bezos, Cook and the rest of them as I have a business idea.
I'm opening a chain of "fleg" shops.

FrancieBrady

Feisar wrote: »

Exactly, it'd seem idyllic compared to the madness!

One of the reasons FG FF have gotten away with it for so long are people like yourself.
Carry on.

Dempo1

Incomprehensible anyone looking at the basket case the North is would want or even be the slightest bit interested in uniting it with the 26 counties.

I couldn't begin to figure out how the Republic could afford it and this before dealing with the loyalist backlash which would make the troubles seem like it was a Sunday picnic. If truth be really known, the Brits would be thrilled to see the back of it but just too cowardly to drop it like a bad habit.