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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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ofcork

Treehelpplease wrote: »

probably the camden quay stuff. here and skyscrapercity seems to get news a lot more before the papers these days when it comes to developments

Whats happening with camden quay is that finally going to happen?

Larbre34

Pesky Corkonians.

Us Dubs will have to approve Johnny Ronans 45 storey towers asap!!

Apogee

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40250306.html

RTE wrote:

The green light for the €140m development at Custom House Quay in Cork City centre was given today subject to 23 conditions.

The 23 conditions include the appointment of a conservation expert to manage, monitor and implement works on the site, the provision of 20 car parking spaces, a detailed log of the existing buildings' historic features be lodged with the Irish Architectural Archives, and an archaeological appraisal of the site is carried out. The developer will also be required to submit detailed plans on traffic and waste management during construction, as well as submitting further details on the planned maritime-themed visitor centre, and the operation of the pontoon on Custom House Quay. Financial contributions will also have to be paid to Cork City Council in respect of public infrastructure and facilities benefiting development in the area, and towards road improvement works in the vicinity before the development can go ahead.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0324/1205841-ireland-tallest-building-cork/

Irish Times wrote:

It is understood the hotel will be run by Marriott International, which made a submission to Cork City Council planners backing the project and who run a 31-storey hotel in redeveloped industrial area Long Island City, New York which was built by Times Square Construction, the contracting division of Mr O’Sullivan’s business.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cork-to-get-ireland-s-tallest-building-in-150m-development-1.4519274

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marno21 wrote: »

Indeed. But they are a useful tactic to objectors as a delaying process even if they prove to be unsuccessful.

Not sure if the crew here would be financially able for a job like this though

Doubt it. A few cranks it appears.

(Incidentally, the JR of the incinerator is ongoing, they seemed to have succeeded in 2 of 11 grounds for review, whether the decision is quashed due soon).

marno21

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Hopefully

Judicial reviews are of the process, not the decision, plaintiffs would have to be able to show where the process was flawed.

Indeed. But they are a useful tactic to objectors as a delaying process even if they prove to be unsuccessful.

Not sure if the crew here would be financially able for a job like this though

[Deleted User]

marno21 wrote: »

It can be taken to judicial review, but the costs of such are prohibitive in most cases (usually touching six figures minimum

The fact that ABP effectively rubber stamped it is a great sign. Normally judicial reviews are taken when ABP are the lone approver (such as the M28 or strategic housing developments). Different gravy altogether when there’s 2 approvers. The EIS for this is more than 1000 pages. Tower Holdings put Herculean work into getting this right.

Fingers crossed they get moving on this and explore options for similar stunning infills.

Hopefully

Judicial reviews are of the process, not the decision, plaintiffs would have to be able to show where the process was flawed.

fonecrusher1

Fantastic news on the Custom house tower!!!!! Woohooooo!

Delighted.

:pac:

TheChizler

Cork Lass wrote: »

Between that and the large expansion of Penneys, there should be a lot of jobs coming on board in Cork. Great news.

Just need a bit more city centre housing!

Cork Lass

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fantastic news this morning. Time to turn Cork into a 21st century city.

Between that and the large expansion of Penneys, there should be a lot of jobs coming on board in Cork. Great news.

Cork Lass

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fantastic news this morning. Time to turn Cork into a 21st century city.

Between that and the large expansion of Penneys, there should be a lot of jobs coming on board in Cork. Great news.

snotboogie

Treehelpplease wrote: »

prism construction started last march but was halted because of the coronavirus

Didn't they subsequently come out and say that they don't know when or if they will resume construction given the changing market for office space?

Great announcement but as always in Cork, especially with tall buildings, the biggest hurdle is getting construction started, not planning.

Acosta

The high rise building looks a lot nicer than the elysian at least

ACitizenErased

Fantastic news this morning. Time to turn Cork into a 21st century city.

Treehelpplease

prism construction started last march but was halted because of the coronavirus

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't blame them in the least, regarding Prism.

Economies of scale here, much cheaper to get deliveries/equipment/staff etc running parallel I imagine

Hopefully that's it.

blindsider

Absolutely delighted to see this!! I really hope its the catalyst our city needs for further development and re-generation.

Brussels Sprout

When would this likely be due to be completed?

Historically record high buildings are completed just as economic bubbles burst:

Elysian in 2008 (during the Great Financial Crisis)
Petronas Towers in 1998 (post-Asian Financial Crisis)
World Trade centre in 1973 (OPEC Crisis)
Empire State Building 1930 (post-Wall Street Crash)

better batten down the harches

marno21

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Can this be stopped any other way now that the appeal has given permission? Or can certain people take it to the courts, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

It can be taken to judicial review, but the costs of such are prohibitive in most cases (usually touching six figures minimum

The fact that ABP effectively rubber stamped it is a great sign. Normally judicial reviews are taken when ABP are the lone approver (such as the M28 or strategic housing developments). Different gravy altogether when there’s 2 approvers. The EIS for this is more than 1000 pages. Tower Holdings put Herculean work into getting this right.

Fingers crossed they get moving on this and explore options for similar stunning infills.

[Deleted User]

namloc1980 wrote: »

Great stuff. Probably will be some time before this starts. Tower Holdings have done very little in relation to the Prism building as of yet.

I wouldn't blame them in the least, regarding Prism.

Economies of scale here, much cheaper to get deliveries/equipment/staff etc running parallel I imagine

CHealy

Cobh artists in shambles.

namloc1980

Great stuff. Probably will be some time before this starts. Tower Holdings have done very little in relation to the Prism building as of yet.

SleetAndSnow

Can this be stopped any other way now that the appeal has given permission? Or can certain people take it to the courts, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

Treehelpplease

Treehelpplease wrote: »

probably the camden quay stuff. here and skyscrapercity seems to get news a lot more before the papers these days when it comes to developments

well nevermind

great news !

SleetAndSnow

Brilliant news!!

questionmark?

Wow! Just wow. I honestly didn't think it would get through without the height been reduced. That's amazing news for the city and region!!

[Deleted User]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40250306.html

Treehelpplease

probably the camden quay stuff. here and skyscrapercity seems to get news a lot more before the papers these days when it comes to developments

Eod100

Was that the big news so? Also this. Wonder what this will be? https://twitter.com/EoinBearla/status/1374672187580375040?s=19

questionmark?

timmyjimmy wrote: »

Penneys? FFS. I'd rather spend money on quality than buy something that you'll have to throw out in few weeks.

Same. However, Pennys are a big draw for lots of people which leads to a spill over effect to other local businesses. Those types of anchor tenants are needed for others to thrive. Should create a good few extra jobs as well.

Reputable Rog

marno21 wrote: »

Cork is now the only city in Ireland with national roads criss crossing in the city centre. The only detrunking of note was the N71 from the N40 to Victoria Cross.

Once the North Ring & M20 are done, the N20, N8 and N22 will likely be detrunked. Not sure where that leaves the N27

It may be de-trucked inside the N40 in time but there are no proposals at present.
The County are trying to get the R624 to Cobh upgraded to a National road.