FrancieBrady wrote: » Under the threat of immediate and terrible war and Carson's guns mark. Come back into the real and factual world.
MrMusician18 wrote: » The way things are progressing it wouldn't appear at the moment that any compromise towards unionists would be required to get it to pass. So if no compromise is necessary, then why bother? As has been pointed out unionism will not be satisfied with any form of Irish unity, so what would throwing them a bone achieve? I can see the process already, a government that thinks it's being responsible will construct a referendum for unity which requires symbols etc to be changed. Such a referendum would likely pass but a nationalist government at a later point, lookups for an easy political win would quickly propose reversing it. The only way unity is a success is through assimilation and absorption. Expecting the majority to change for an unpleasable minority will be a disaster.
JimmyVik wrote: » Well, because i never give anyone an earache about the way they want to vote. But you are right. They could all be lying to me. Maybe they will all vote Yes.
briany wrote: » Whatever about such titles needing to go, it does raise the point of what a united Ireland would actually look like in terms of its institutions and so forth. The GFA doesn't really have a lot of detail on it, so there appears to be much ambiguity around basic questions like would it mean a new country or simply absorbing NI into the existing Republic?
bonzothedog wrote: » I'll take this on! Poll now up...
FrancieBrady wrote: » How do you know they are not just saying that because the earache from you would not be worth it?
Fionn1952 wrote: » Threads and fora like this provide a sample with inherently strong bias to both extremes on the topic; posters on these topics tend to be those with particularly strong feelings on the subject. Given that we are all aware there is a significant middle ground who aren't so passionately committed one way or another, I'd say there would be incredibly limited insight to be gained from a poll that has such a strong selection bias to ignore that middle ground who are much less likely to comment on a topic such as this.
maestroamado wrote: » The people here could consider doing a poll here as any poll would give some sort of an idea. I think NI would be difficult to police for a time after UI. There is lots of talk but i cannot see any of the parties having stomach for it now including SF. The all whinge about protocol but when it comes down it will be who pays to make it happen. I expect EU and UK will eventually come up with big financial incentive for it to happen and this has started already with the sea border between EU and UK. One positive will the political landscape both North and South will have to change when it does happen. Interesting times ahead...
JimmyVik wrote: » They wont you know. I have a friend who is almost militant when it comes to a united Ireland. Every now and then this comes up and we all tell him yes, you go boy, we are behind you. United Ireland all the way. He is convinced that 90% of people he knows are for a united Ireland. They are in front of him, because its just not worth the ear ache to not be. But when hes not around and the conversation comes up, its Dont tell Garry, but I would vote no. From everyone. Any opinion polls on a united Ireland will be the most incorrect polls in history.
JimmyVik wrote: » They wont you know. I have a friend who is almost militant when it comes to a united Ireland. Every now and then this comes up and we all tell him yes, you go boy, we are behind you. United Ireland all the way. He is convinced that 90% of people he knows are for a united Ireland. They are in front of him, because its just not worth the ear ache to not be.But when hes not around and the conversation comes up, its Dont tell Garry, but I would vote no. From everyone. Any opinion polls on a united Ireland will be the most incorrect polls in history.
Rodin wrote: » Nonsense. Won't be a landslide but majority in south will vote for it.
JimmyVik wrote: » I beg to differ. I think it wouldnt have a hope of passing down here.
downcow wrote: » I don't see any ambiguity amongst most of the posters here. They all talk in terms of ROI absorbing Northern Ireland. They may not say it out right but it is crystal clear in their subtext. They refer to the changes that may or may not be needed in the constitution, with the flag, with the anthem, etc. can you not see the subtext. There are currently two flags, two countries, two anthems. In their eyes this is not about bringing two countries together in unification, they are not even considering my fly, my anthem, etc. it's really very obvious to all Unionists what people mean by a united Ireland
namloc1980 wrote: » Not at all. Any border poll would pass down here. Yup north is a different story.
JimmyVik wrote: » It will never happen. Once everyone in the south realizes what it will cost them the majority easily will vote no. But to be sure, everyone when asked face to face will say, of course i will vote yes, just for peace and quiet. In the polling booth they will vote no.
maccored wrote: » britain is taking quite the economic battering with brexit - cant see them hanging onto the north while they are haemorrhaging the kind of money they are to lost exports
downcow wrote: » That was not endorse by the UK population and I don’t remember the UK population endorsing either scottish or welsh devolution. You have raised a really interesting point that I am encouraged by. So history has set a precedent that the entire population don’t need consulted on a region devolving. I therefore see no reason why an area to the north east of a new Ireland cannot devolve. One we devolve then we push for increased autonomy and eventually independence. Tell me what’s wrong with any of that?
downcow wrote: » Do you think a threat of war would work again? It worked for Leo with the protocol
jm08 wrote: » All we hear down here is loyalist / DUP demands. I'd like to hear a bit more from moderate unionists such as the Andrew Trimbles and Naomi Longs for a change. Its pointless talking to the Sammy Wilsons and Greg because they won't engage. Its not fair on possibly the 70-80% of people from NI who don't get a look in.
markodaly wrote: » The treaty was the treaty. I know you hate it and would have advocated more bloodshed, more war, hell you even advocated the old IRA invading the North, or even the British invading Ulster... mad off the wall stuff. However, Northern Ireland was part of the Free State for a mere 24 hours, until the rejoined the Union, as per the vote in Stormont. Democracy in action. That is all.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Devolution in Northern Ireland was part of the GFA which was endorsed by the electorate in a referendum. Democracy in action.
markodaly wrote: » The real world? I wasn't making grand pronouncements about invading the North, now was I? :pac:
