The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

blanch152 wrote: »

Political parties that are neither unionist nor nationalist by default favour a Northern Irish identity. It will take time for that politically to come through, but it is a sign of nationalist fear of that identity that is driving the push for a border poll sooner than later.

Why would they 'fear' it?

The Unionist parties are hemorrhaging support with the DUP predicted to be in trouble in the next elections.

What is coming through 'politically' is people moving away from Unionism and a massive upswing in the discussion of a UI and with Brexit only getting going that is going to increase.
Nobody is talking about anything else that I can see.

blanch152 wrote: »

That minority might not vote for staying in the UK, but that doesn't mean that they'll vote for a united Ireland.

It is time for a revision of the GFA to recognise the legitimate aspirations of the minority who prefer a Northern Irish identity to either a British or Irish identity.

That is an interesting concept. A third way so to speak where one doesnt have to tick a box saying they are British or Irish.
I can see that work alright.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would they 'fear' it?

The Unionist parties are hemorrhaging support with the DUP predicted to be in trouble in the next elections.

What is coming through 'politically' is people moving away from Unionism and a massive upswing in the discussion of a UI and with Brexit only getting going that is going to increase.
Nobody is talking about anything else that I can see.

They are also moving away from Nationalism, if the polls and latest eletion results are anything to go by.

Sinn Fein support peaked some years back and the younger generation are not too fussed about the Green and Orange divide.

Maybe that is why SF are so keen to have this border poll now, as they fear the new generation coming soon dont really care for either SF or the DUP.

markodaly wrote: »

They are also moving away from Nationalism, if the polls and latest eletion results are anything to go by.

Sinn Fein support peaked some years back and the younger generation are not too fussed about the Green and Orange divide.

Maybe that is why SF are so keen to have this border poll now, as they fear the new generation coming soon dont really care for either SF or the DUP.

If you want to cod yourself that a UI s owned by SF you might have a point.

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you want to cod yourself that a UI s owned by SF you might have a point.

And unless Coveney, Ahern and Kenny are secret shinners.

James Brown wrote: »

And unless Coveney, Ahern and Kenny are secret shinners.

Eoghan Harris could knock a few articles out of that!

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you want to cod yourself that a UI s owned by SF you might have a point.

In the North, the only party pushing a border poll in the next 10 years is Sinn Fein. They are losing votes every election. If you can't see the connection.....

ahem....https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sdlp-calls-for-border-poll-on-united-ireland-after-brexit-negotiations-1.3101566?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fsdlp-calls-for-border-poll-on-united-ireland-after-brexit-negotiations-1.3101566

blanch152 wrote: »

In the North, the only party pushing a border poll in the next 10 years is Sinn Fein. They are losing votes every election. If you can't see the connection.....

a very cool kid

FrancieBrady wrote: »

ahem....https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sdlp-calls-for-border-poll-on-united-ireland-after-brexit-negotiations-1.3101566?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fsdlp-calls-for-border-poll-on-united-ireland-after-brexit-negotiations-1.3101566

So 4 years ago.....

a very cool kid wrote: »

So 4 years ago.....

Yes, they do have a habit of flip flopping. But it is wrong to say SF are the only ones who are pushing a UI...Mary Lou very adamantly said as recently as last night that she doesn't think one should be held tomorrow but rather when the preparations are done...exactly what the SDLP are saying now.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/21/news/colum-eastwood-says-border-poll-should-be-called-when-it-s-winnable-2011135/

votecounts

James Brown wrote: »

And unless Coveney, Ahern and Kenny are secret shinners.

Maybe they're sleepers:D

FrancieBrady wrote: »

ahem....https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sdlp-calls-for-border-poll-on-united-ireland-after-brexit-negotiations-1.3101566?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fsdlp-calls-for-border-poll-on-united-ireland-after-brexit-negotiations-1.3101566

blanch152 wrote: »

In the North, the only party pushing a border poll in the next 10 years is Sinn Fein. They are losing votes every election. If you can't see the connection.....

Let's be clear, I said "pushing" a border poll. FG, FF, Labour, SDLP, even elements of the DUP are in favour of a border poll sometime, but it is only SF in the North who are pushing a border poll.

blanch152 wrote: »

Let's be clear, I said "pushing" a border poll. FG, FF, Labour, SDLP, even elements of the DUP are in favour of a border poll sometime, but it is only SF in the North who are pushing a border poll.

When the preparation is done. They are all saying that.

If you vote for the SDLP or SF you know you are voting for parties that support a UI blanch...no amount of twisting will change that.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When the preparation is done. They are all saying that.

If you vote for the SDLP or SF you know you are voting for parties that support a UI blanch...no amount of twisting will change that.

I never said that the SDLP didn't support a united Ireland, you are reading stuff into my posts that isn't there, in order to somehow prove me wrong.

I said what I said, the only party in Northern Ireland pushing a border poll is Sinn Fein.

blanch152 wrote: »

I never said that the SDLP didn't support a united Ireland, you are reading stuff into my posts that isn't there, in order to somehow prove me wrong.

I said what I said, the only party in Northern Ireland pushing a border poll is Sinn Fein.

So are you just going to deny that the SDLP also want a poll and were 'pushing' for one at the end of the Brexit negotiations?

Another attempt to other SF up in smoke.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So are you just going to deny that the SDLP also want a poll and were 'pushing' for one at the end of the Brexit negotiations?

Another attempt to other SF up in smoke.

SDLP are not pushing for a border poll.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/21/news/colum-eastwood-says-border-poll-should-be-called-when-it-s-winnable-2011135/

"He said a border poll would be the "last thing you do"."

All nationalist parties want a border poll when the time is right, all of them except Sinn Fein don't believe the time is right, Sinn Fein are the only ones pushing for a border poll.

Sinn Fein are out on their own on this one, as a supporter of republicanism, you should be proud of this, rather than trying to hide among the others.

blanch152 wrote: »

SDLP are not pushing for a border poll.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/21/news/colum-eastwood-says-border-poll-should-be-called-when-it-s-winnable-2011135/

"He said a border poll would be the "last thing you do"."

All nationalist parties want a border poll when the time is right, all of them except Sinn Fein don't believe the time is right, Sinn Fein are the only ones pushing for a border poll.

Sinn Fein are out on their own on this one, as a supporter of republicanism, you should be proud of this, rather than trying to hide among the others.

Mary Lou as recently as last night...'we need to prepare for a border poll'.

Exact same thing as Eastwood is saying.

Said it before, will say it again..SF don't own a UI...loads of people talking about it. The putative next leader of FF being the latest in a lecture at Sussex College.

The ones 'out on their own' seem to be the DUP and partitionists here who have their fingers in their ears...see also last night's debate for Gregory Campbell and John Bruton.

Triangle

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, they do have a habit of flip flopping. But it is wrong to say SF are the only ones who are pushing a UI...Mary Lou very adamantly said as recently as last night that she doesn't think one should be held tomorrow but rather when the preparations are done...exactly what the SDLP are saying now.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/21/news/colum-eastwood-says-border-poll-should-be-called-when-it-s-winnable-2011135/

In all fairness, Mary lou is the trump equivalent in ireland, she says the populist iteam on the agenda and changes depending on the wind.
Not to mention being devicive, polarisation and nationalistic and anti EU.
She's as bad as FG/FF with their game spinning agendas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you want to cod yourself that a UI s owned by SF you might have a point.

Well it is their pet project and the main drive behind a border poll.
SF types see it as conquest of territory while John Hume was correct of course saying one must unite people, not land.

markodaly wrote: »

Well it is their pet project and the main drive behind a border poll.
SF types see it as conquest of territory while John Hume was correct of course saying one must unite people, not land.

How did that work out for him?

SF live in the 'territory' afaik.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How did that work out for him?

SF live in the 'territory' afaik.

Work out for whom?

John Hume, the man who is seen as arguably the greatest Irishman from the latter half of the 20th century? His legacy is secured, apart from a few grumbling fanatical Irish Republicans who see it as a threat to the legacy and myth-making of the PIRA campaign.

See, that is the SF problem right there, always looking to eek out an advantage, a few % here or there, which will be their downfall. Never looking at the bigger picture.

wicklowstevo

Triangle wrote: »

In all fairness, Mary lou is the trump equivalent in ireland, she says the populist iteam on the agenda and changes depending on the wind.
Not to mention being devicive, polarisation and nationalistic and anti EU.
She's as bad as FG/FF with their game spinning agendas

your really gona trigger the bots with that one :pac::pac::pac::pac:

markodaly wrote: »

Work out for whom?

John Hume, the man who is seen as arguably the greatest Irishman from the latter half of the 20th century? His legacy is secured, apart from a few grumbling fanatical Irish Republicans who see it as a threat to the legacy and myth-making of the PIRA campaign.

See, that is the SF problem right there, always looking to eek out an advantage, a few % here or there, which will be their downfall. Never looking at the bigger picture.

Yes John Hume...how did it work out for him, 'uniting with belligerent Unionism. We know he united with SF to deliver the GFA for nationalists.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes John Hume...how did it work out for him, 'uniting with belligerent Unionism. We know he united with SF to deliver the GFA for nationalists.

Isn't there peace in NI now? I think he would take that any day of the week, and your constant point-scoring anytime John Hume's name is mentioned gives off a certain inferiority complex, it has to be said.

markodaly wrote: »

Isn't there peace in NI now? I think he would take that any day of the week, and your constant point-scoring anytime John Hume's name is mentioned gives off a certain inferiority complex, it has to be said.

There is relative peace, his singular success...when he teamed up and listened to what Adams had to say and offer.

No inferiority complex just a good grasp of historical fact and revulsion of mistruths and misrepresentation.

blanch152 wrote: »

SDLP are not pushing for a border poll.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/21/news/colum-eastwood-says-border-poll-should-be-called-when-it-s-winnable-2011135/

"He said a border poll would be the "last thing you do"."

All nationalist parties want a border poll when the time is right, all of them except Sinn Fein don't believe the time is right, Sinn Fein are the only ones pushing for a border poll.

Sinn Fein are out on their own on this one, as a supporter of republicanism, you should be proud of this, rather than trying to hide among the others.

Salient point by Emma DeSouza that partitionists and unionists might reflect on:

https://twitter.com/EmmandJDeSouza/status/1374339600248885249

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

Salient point by Emma DeSouza that partitionists and unionists might reflect on:

https://twitter.com/EmmandJDeSouza/status/1374339600248885249

Francie, is she not being a bit premature? The majority still want to remain part of the UK.

jh79 wrote: »

Francie, is she not being a bit premature? The majority still want to remain part of the UK.

There was a Border Poll jh79????

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

There was a Border Poll jh79????

C'mon Francie the opinion polls are clear. The majority want to remain. The DUP are not preventing the process yet.