Doctor Roast wrote: » I've seen an example of this the other day, I was driving through a town called Balrothery,just outside Balbriggan, lovely little town, on each side of the road there was picnic tables, Irish kids on one side, Nigerian kids on the other... You could sense the tension even driving by.
Deleted User wrote: » Ahh... I can't actually agree. That really depends on the school, its' administration, and its' teachers. My mother was a principal of a Marist Brothers primary school, and while there were some issues when she was there, it's since turned the corner on any friction. I've taught there myself a few times, and the different groups tended to mix well. Parents are encouraged to be interested, and be involved in school activities, so there's a greater degree of interaction and socialising. The vocational school (secondary) where my father taught also has a wide variety of racial/ethnic groups, and I rarely hear of any problems. TBH the schools are probably some of the best indication that multiculturalism could work, if it was approached in the right manner. Alas, in the broader context, it's not being approached in the right manner. It really depends on the school. And the makeup of the students, and parents. And... well.. any number of factors. You see the same with "international schools" which tend to operate quite well, in spite of the abundance of different nationalities. Um, you could sense the tension while driving by?Kids tend to be above any of the tensions of multiculturalism. Their parents, sure, but even then, they have common ground, because of their kids... Nah. Sorry.. I can see the problems with multiculturalism in terms of economics, and society, but children having a picnic isn't one of them. We are still in the covid era... distancing is a good thing.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Ahh... I can't actually agree. That really depends on the school, its' administration, and its' teachers. My mother was a principal of a Marist Brothers primary school, and while there were some issues when she was there, it's since turned the corner on any friction. I've taught there myself a few times, and the different groups tended to mix well. Parents are encouraged to be interested, and be involved in school activities, so there's a greater degree of interaction and socialising. The vocational school (secondary) where my father taught also has a wide variety of racial/ethnic groups, and I rarely hear of any problems. TBH the schools are probably some of the best indication that multiculturalism could work, if it was approached in the right manner. Alas, in the broader context, it's not being approached in the right manner. It really depends on the school. And the makeup of the students, and parents. And... well.. any number of factors. You see the same with "international schools" which tend to operate quite well, in spite of the abundance of different nationalities. Um, you could sense the tension while driving by? Kids tend to be above any of the tensions of multiculturalism. Their parents, sure, but even then, they have common ground, because of their kids... Nah. Sorry.. I can see the problems with multiculturalism in terms of economics, and society, but children having a picnic isn't one of them. We are still in the covid era... distancing is a good thing.
rgossip30 wrote: » The amendment appears not very clear on the legal status of parents who can apply . The report mentions parents who were to be deported but the child would be stateless . In this case the the parents were not legally here ? This will facilitate those on lengthy appeals to remain .https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/justice-minister-to-seek-cabinet-approval-to-reduce-wait-time-for-children-born-in-ireland-to-gain-citizenship/ar-BB1eRA2R?li=BBr5KbJ
Deleted User wrote: » Ahh... I can't actually agree. That really depends on the school, its' administration, and its' teachers. My mother was a principal of a Marist Brothers primary school, and while there were some issues when she was there, it's since turned the corner on any friction. I've taught there myself a few times, and the different groups tended to mix well. Parents are encouraged to be interested, and be involved in school activities, so there's a greater degree of interaction and socialising. The vocational school (secondary) where my father taught also has a wide variety of racial/ethnic groups, and I rarely hear of any problems. TBH the schools are probably some of the best indication that multiculturalism could work, if it was approached in the right manner. Alas, in the broader context, it's not being approached in the right manner. It really depends on the school. And the makeup of the students, and parents. And... well.. any number of factors. You see the same with "international schools" which tend to operate quite well, in spite of the abundance of different nationalities. Um, you could sense the tension while driving by? Kids tend to be above any of the tensions of multiculturalism. Their parents, sure, but even then, they have common ground, because of their kids... Nah. Sorry.. I can see the problems with multiculturalism in terms of economics, and society, but children having a picnic isn't one of them. We are still in the covid era... distancing is a good thing.
clytemnestra wrote: » My experience was as a parent rather than a teacher, so more up close and personal you might say. The individual families were mostly decent people but they simply had no interest in mixing outside their own group, which restricted the pool of potential outside school friendships. It's just human nature. If I were a Polish mum living here I'd probably hang round with other Polish mums and their kids. Which is grand. But it doesn't make for a cohesive happy school environment. The key thing is numbers. A cohort of 10% of non-Irish background kids probably won't affect cohesion but once it gets to 40 or 50 or 60% it very much does. And that is the reality for many schools in Ireland, usually the ones who are under-resourced to begin with.
jmreire wrote: » Roll on the next GE,,,,,,the sooner the better !!
rgossip30 wrote: » This happens in all countries with immigrants and those of different race they tend to identify and mix with their own nationality and race .
Deleted User wrote: » You really expect the next group in will be any different? As long as RTE are plugging the pro-immigration line, there won't be any difference in the politicians on the topic of immigration, and allocation of benefits/supports. There really needs to be a radical shift in thinking before there will be any significant change in that policy. We'd likely need a revolution with burning cars in the streets, and pickets outside the Dail, before they'd be willing to consider that they might be wrong in pushing this line.
Deleted User wrote: » You really expect the next group in will be any different? As long as RTE are plugging the pro-immigration line, there won't be any difference in the politicians on the topic of immigration, and allocation of benefits/supports.There really needs to be a radical shift in thinking before there will be any significant change in that policy. We'd likely need a revolution with burning cars in the streets, and pickets outside the Dail, before they'd be willing to consider that they might be wrong in pushing this line.
clytemnestra wrote: » Most of us would like our children to grow up in cohesive communities, not places that resemble the concourse of large international airports. In twenty years we've reached a stage where almost a fifth are foreign born and where Irish people are a minority in many parts of our two main cities.
bubblypop wrote: » What does this mean? You have an issue with your kids growing up with kids who are not white Irish? Why? Kids are kids I'm not sure what the problem is? Also, I am 'foreign born' yet I'm 100% Irish, what's your issue with foreign born people?
TomTomTim wrote: » Why do you persist with the same tactic of omitting their reason time and time again? It was explained, high levels of multiculturalism leads to less societal cohesion. You take that, and spin it into the most simplistic spin: "why do you hate foreigners".
jmreire wrote: » Well, I'm not so sure about that,,,in rural Ireland at any rate, people are discussing this amongst them selves, and any rural politician who has his finger on the pulse will be aware of it. Imagine the flak they are getting when immigrants are being housed ahead of the locals, and thats just one item. This rumbling of discontent was one of the reasons Sinn Fein took the most 1st preference votes in the last election...People felt ( and still do) that the govt has forgotten them, and definitely are not acting in their best interests.
clytemnestra wrote: » Thanks. I ignore his goady posts as I don't believe they're in good faith.
KevRossi wrote: » SF have historically been very pro-immigration and pro asylum seekers. In fact their policies have usually been the more radical of all parties.
TomTomTim wrote: » Being able to discuss the topic on a national level would be a start. As bad as many European countries may be, there's at least the ability to discuss immigration on the radio or on TV. In Ireland it's the elephant in the room, it can only be discussed positively, anything else is heresy.
This kind of mindset is honestly a throw back to the Soviet Union, where any societal issues that can be used against the ideology of the state, must be suppressed and never spoken of. Our masters have clearly learned nothing from the past, as that kind of mindset brought down the Soviet Union.
randd1 wrote: » There's nothing inherently wrong with immigration. As long as it contributes to Irish society. Which in the main, it does.
Deleted User wrote: » Okay. Then it should be easy for you to prove it. And skip the skilled migrants. Let's deal with those who aren't highly skilled/educated, of which a sizable portion of migrants represent.
WrenBoy wrote: » There was a very interesting discussion on here not too long ago about the perception of SF , not sure which thread though but it was very interesting. Posters argued there is still a large amount of voters, mostly older who still view SF as the party for the working class with a Ireland/ Irish first focus. I see it with my own family, uncles who would have been supporters of SF in the North and the hunger strikers etc and view SF as the party of nationalist Irish people. As you say though they are much more of an open borders, social hot topic of the day party now.
randd1 wrote: » Prove what? That they can fit into Irish society/culture? Look around you, it does happen. I'm sure you know plenty that do. Most immigrants work and contribute. Or is it that they can't learn a skill here? Can't hold down a job? Can't make themselves useful to society despite their lack of skills/education? Give them a shot. And if they don't contribute, or are unwilling to contribute to Irish society, then they should be sent home.
randd1 wrote: There's nothing inherently wrong with immigration. As long as it contributes to Irish society. Which in the main, it does.
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