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The way forward for LC2021

History Queen

I'm interested in the views of other teachers as to what should happen to assess the work of LC2021 students. With growing calls for cancellation of the exams and predicted grades, I fear we are sleep walking in to a repeat of last year's debacle.

My personal view is the exams should go ahead as scheduled but perhaps a further review of papers to allow for more choice should happen, suggestions submitted from subject associations maybe?

As regards projects/orals/practicals I can only speak to my own subjects. In History I feel the project should go ahead as planned.

What do others think?

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Purefrank128

The document outlining further adjustments for the 2021 Leaving Cert exams is now on the SEC website.

Aquals

For the first time, I heard a bit of kite flying on the radio this morning about 1st - 4th years potentially not going back immediately after the Easter holidays if case numbers continue to rise!

Rosita

TheValeyard wrote: »

I dont. I'd prefer in house teaching. Online teaching is a reasonable back up, but is nothing compared to actual in house lessons.

To be fair, I don't think that poster was arguing for on-line teaching as an equivalent to in-school teaching, rather that exams are necessary.

Choochtown

Wombatman wrote: »

Details on further adjustments to LC exam papers due this week. Any word yet?

Due Friday evening judging on past performances

Wombatman

Details on further adjustments to LC exam papers due this week. Any word yet?

deiseindublin

Ann Pigott ASTI was on Claire Byrne this morning, maybe 15 mins in.

km79

Not a word about the maskless Orals from the unions or the media today. I guess that’s that so !

Alex86Eire

I am also hoping for summer tests. We've been live streaming since Christmas so I don't see much of an issue.

The last week of school is going to be a write off anyway. It'll be a week of kahoots/wordwalls/quizzes etc. I don't see any added benefit of teaching this week rather than having a week of exams.

TheValeyard

solerina wrote: »

I have been teaching online since Christmas, they don’t need to catch up on anything but I do need to know how well they learned the material I covered so that’s a no from me !! I want summer exams for all my classes.

I dont. I'd prefer in house teaching. Online teaching is a reasonable back up, but is nothing compared to actual in house lessons.

solerina

TheValeyard wrote: »

I'd cancel all exams for first and second years this summer. Concentrate on teaching.

I have been teaching online since Christmas, they don’t need to catch up on anything but I do need to know how well they learned the material I covered so that’s a no from me !! I want summer exams for all my classes.

TheValeyard

I'd cancel all exams for first and second years this summer. Concentrate on teaching.

km79

alroley wrote: »

Would 2nd years not be more important? They could actually be doing a junior cert.

I would agree but the perception of getting “exam “ classes back is important politically . And that’s all that really matters . Optics

Random sample

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Anyone doing the Oral aide? Got word About it this morning. Much work in it? Haven’t read the document.

Depends on the size of your school and the numbers sitting exams.

alroley

km79 wrote: »

3rd Years will 100% be back April 12th
The sensible approach would be send either 1st or 2nd years only back with them and then another staggered two weeks for remainder
I expect all will be back on April 12th though

Would 2nd years not be more important? They could actually be doing a junior cert.

Aquals

Do TYs really need to be back after Easter?

TheValeyard

Bobtheman wrote: »

Numbers climbing
I can see a stay put on return of 1-3 rd year

Been a lot of talk about this in the school this morning. Depends how the Easter break goes.

km79

Bobtheman wrote: »

Numbers climbing
I can see a stay put on return of 1-3 rd year

3rd Years will 100% be back April 12th
The sensible approach would be send either 1st or 2nd years only back with them and then another staggered two weeks for remainder
I expect all will be back on April 12th though

Bobtheman

Numbers climbing
I can see a stay put on return of 1-3 rd year

Leftwaffe

Anyone doing the Oral aide? Got word About it this morning. Much work in it? Haven’t read the document.

Wombatman

Orals could be done in school but over zoom, where examiner and student are in different rooms. Recording sent to the SEC for grading. Easy game.

History Queen

Newbie20 wrote: »

It’s hard to see at this stage how it is anything other than a cynical move. Why wasn’t this put out there weeks ago. French Orals starting next weekend in our school. The Department is just a shambles. They are treating schools with such disrespect. A lot of the orals probably won’t go ahead now, which of course suits them. Less correcting.

I don't know that it is cynical. There were interviews being conducted in my ETB all year with the same setup re no masks, perspex screens and 2m distancing. I think it is compliant with public health advice, that being said, I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it myself.

Bobtheman

Newbie20 wrote: »

It’s hard to see at this stage how it is anything other than a cynical move. Why wasn’t this put out there weeks ago. French Orals starting next weekend in our school. The Department is just a shambles. They are treating schools with such disrespect. A lot of the orals probably won’t go ahead now, which of course suits them. Less correcting.

The department has always treated schools with disdain unless it's the latest bull **** PR thing by the Department such as transgender toilets or uniforms. Or allowing the heathens out of RE and making the ludicrous suggestion that they be offered another subject? Unless it's a piece of bull like this they don't give a ****.

Newbie20

It’s hard to see at this stage how it is anything other than a cynical move. Why wasn’t this put out there weeks ago. French Orals starting next weekend in our school. The Department is just a shambles. They are treating schools with such disrespect. A lot of the orals probably won’t go ahead now, which of course suits them. Less correcting.

Aquals

Northern lassie wrote: »

There will also be a distance of at least 2m between examiner and student.

Again, not that much of a mitigating factor against an airborne virus.

If this has been done by the department, in the hope that the unions pull the plug on it, then that’s extremely cynical and should be shown up for what it is.

Northern lassie

There will also be a distance of at least 2m between examiner and student.

Aquals

Northern lassie wrote: »

There will be perspex screens between examiner and student.

Perspex screens only protect against spit droplets etc - they do absolutely nothing for virus particles in the air. Just like air particles can move around the screen, so can viral particles!

If it was me, I'd do the orals and just ask students to wear masks.

rossean

Northern lassie wrote: »

There will be perspex screens between examiner and student.

Hardly sufficient, especially given the increased transmissibility associated with the B117 variant.

I had offered to help facilitate these exams but I will be withdrawing from the process unless masks are worn by all.

Northern lassie

There will be perspex screens between examiner and student.

Newbie20

This simply has to be the department hoping the unions will pull the plug on it isn’t it? It’s just a disgrace. I’m so annoyed. My wife is supposed to be doing them but she’s going to say to school that she’ll do them with masks or not at all.

wirelessdude01

Plug needs to be pulled.