Nqp15hhu wrote: » I don’t care what people in GB think. And you will have all of those costs when you supposedly take us on.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » What would need to be changed ?
pgj2015 wrote: » would the unionists have the heart to go back to war? would they have the numbers to start the UFF and UVF again? I reckon if there was a united Ireland and they started shootings and bombings again, it would be firmly stamped out and quickly. we would have help from the UK and USA if needed, there would be absolutely no tolerance for violence and groups trying to go back to the old days.
Rikand wrote: » Join the EU
[Deleted User] wrote: » Am I right in guessing your from a so called mixed marriage but were raised catholic?
Speedline wrote: » Just out of interest, if NI went out on their own, how would they replace the subsidy from the UK?
Dr. Bre wrote: » Will we have to change our national anthem to Ireland’s call if we United Ireland ?
Edgware wrote: » Why should we subsidise Winston and Norman to buy houses in Glasgow?
Nqp15hhu wrote: » I don’t think people in the south understand Northern Ireland. Reading the other thread about visiting they are so ignorant and lacking in knowledge. Just the same as people in England.
Fake Scores wrote: » We need to get a line of PSNI and aromored Jeeps into this thread to keep the two sides apart.
Mad_maxx wrote: » im not in favour of pandering to unionists at all and i take the view that nothing has ever been expected of unionism , from the media down here most of all , unionism has never been once asked to atone for their behaviour down the years i dont view joining the commonwealth as pandering but i dont believe we need more than a proper majority to proceed either , this " we must wait until unionists are ready " could mean anything and is spectacularly vague
Mad_maxx wrote: » They only refer to themselves as Irish in a geographical sense , certainly not or never political sense
Nqp15hhu wrote: » So you want to quiet Unionists like myself for a few years implying that you will later throw us under the bus? No thanks. A United Ireland is supposed to be for all.
StevenToast wrote: » A confederate united Ireland...leave the 6 counties in the commonwealth...its a token thing... Once elizabeth windsor dies and charles takes over...the monarchy will lose its "appeal"... Give unionists a few token gestures and that will quieten them after a few years...
VinLieger wrote: » Fair enough but i honestly believe if this is all discussed correctly prior to a reunification poll in the south where the specifics of how and what would begin happening if both votes succeeded then i dont think it would pass here. I do not believe the vast majority of those who say they would vote yes have ever considered the idea of a new flag let alone a new anthem and the hundreds of other changes that would be required to appease unionists.
Strumms wrote: » The rest of the UK would say good luck in a heartbeat.. For a population of 1.9 million people they benefit to the tune of about 9.2 billion a year from the rest of the UK... According to the psni’s own numbers in the last decade, the highest cost for one financial year for them to just police and manage parades, protests and related disorder was 22 million.
Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: » But it’s not and most likely not in any of our lifetimes. Like I have said before, once the republicans/catholics are informed of what a UI entails, what they will lose, what it will cost them, they won’t want it either and hopefully that will be the end of it.
Sunny Disposition wrote: » Democracy will have to win. If a majority in both jurisdictions vote for a UI it just has to happen, and, while it is very unfortunate that one generation has to deal with the fallout, that's how it is. Unfortunately there's not going to be a consensus, more chance of Gerry Adams becoming head of the commonwealth. There's a need to start planning right now for a unionist minority in a united Ireland. The political establishment doesn't want to know, but it is imminent.
Rikand wrote: » They should just strike out on their own as Northern Ireland. Rid themselves of the Brits and tell us to kindly **** off too. Just go it alone. A lot of them identify as Northern Irish anyway
trixi001 wrote: » I have never understood this argument - Democracy means accepting the will of the majority - if 50.1% of people vote for something, why should the minority actually win the vote via nothing changing? I can understand that a small majority means things are more difficult, but it doesn't mean the majority should not be respected The Nationalists in the North have had to live as per Democracy for years as the majority in NI were in favour it being part of the UK, but the tide is turning. and in the not too distant future 50%+1 may be in favour of a United & Free Ireland, why should the small majority matter..its still a majority, refusing to accept it is refusing democracy to the same people that have had to accept the democratic will of the people for 100 years before! As for how it will work from an Irish perspective - it is the opportunity to create a "New" Ireland - perhaps consider decentralising power - give each province some form of super council. Consider the how good elements of the North could be rolled out throughout Ireland (NHS?) It will not simply be a matter of the North joining the South, it will be the 2 states merging to create a new state. And yes, the unionists will need to be considered, as even in a UI they still form a sizeable majority (Roughly half of the North is unionist - they will be about 14% of the overall Irish population) - and considering how often there is currently a coalition government they may form part of the government some terms. The unionist traditions are already honoured in Donegal - an orange order parade in Rossnowlagh is held every year without any problems. For the sake of Long Term Peace Ireland should be united - yes in the short term there may be problems but with the support of the UK, EU, & USA (and i do believe there will be significant support - financial and otherwise) these can be sorted. Look through history - Irish "Troubles" kick off roughly every 30-50 years 1798 1848 - Young Irelanders 1867 - Fenian Rising 1916 - Easter Rising, Then Civil War 1940's - Northern Campaign 1970's - 2000 - Troubles Once the older generations die, and the actual reality of war/revolution are forgotten, there is always a possibility of violence restarting in the North The North has seen sustained periods of violence since partition, the South (other than the immediate period after partition) has seen little or none despite there being people of a unionist mindset living in it for a long number of years - i would said very few people in the South now want to join the UK. The same didn't happen in the North, those not wanting to live in the UK, never forgot they are Irish, their Children won't forget - its an Island, it will always be strange for one part of the Island to belong to another Island - and this will lead to simmering tensions for years to come with the possibility for significant violence For the sake of my children and their children i really hope for a united Ireland in the not too distant future
