Deleted User wrote: » If we could unify and then fast forward 20 years things would be great. Arlene herself said she would leave if unity happened. Hopefully the hardcore would move to Scotland or England if they really couldn’t stomach a UI. Maybe the British and EU and maybe even the US could provide grants to relocate them.
PokeHerKing wrote: » If the majority on the island vote for a UI, once we've the Irish army on the streets of the six counties we can start to round up all the Sammy Wilsons and have the container ship waiting to sail them all back to Scotland.
85603 wrote: » Wouldn't be arsed pandering to them.I'd offer them re-partition, as what good are they to us? Just going to be trouble. Give them a little Israel up in Antrim. If I was a unionist I'd take that offer since time is not on their side.
For Forks Sake wrote: » Fair bang of Judenfrei off these sort of attitudes.
VinLieger wrote: » Those polls should be taken with a grain of salt, they are done without any details being put to them like the massive economic and security implications not to mention the very real question and possibility of needing to change our flag and national anthem and possibly a lot more to appease the unionists. Your attitude by the way is exactly the same as the bexiteers, any poll on such a divisive and massive change in the status quo should never require a simple majority of 50.1%. Simply ignoring the wishes and concerns of a large proportion of people North and South of the border so you can masturbate over your united Ireland fantasy becoming a reality will not lead to a successful reunification.
Del2005 wrote: » Why do we need to change our already inclusive flag to another inclusive flag? Look at the still ongoing hatred of Ireland's Call to see how people will react. to changing our anthem.
Renno123 wrote: » The union jack flag is also inclusive. Ireland is still represented on this flag, yet we don't see it as a representation of our people. This is the same reason there will be a new Irish flag in a U.I
martinedwards wrote: » Ok instead of the usual, yellow numberplate/petrol bomb as soon as you cross the border/Derry girls are easy thread...... Boards seems to be a strongly Pro united Ireland community Ok, lets say that there is a border poll. Having a minority with strong anti ruler views has historically not been the most peaceful system in the North. so, how would you persuade the folk that are terrified of all the things that they PERCEIVE to be against them in an all island Irish nation? and lets be honest, "Suck it up, my auntie Brigit was spat on by a brit soldier in 1972" isn't going to persuade the likes of Sammy Wilson that it's a good idea.Discuss!
VinLieger wrote: » Emm you know the orange on the tricolour is intended to represent the protestants in NI? If a new flag is required i would absolutely vote against reunification.
Del2005 wrote: » The Tri colour with the Union Flag, we aren't a boat, inset in the neutral section and The Soldiers Song as our national anthem. We are now fully inclusive for the flag and anthem. With Scotland looking more and more likely to leave the union shouldn't an option in the vote be a merger of Northern Ireland and Scotland?
Renno123 wrote: » Yes that is exactly my point. The orange on the tri colour represents unionism/protestantism/orangism as you said. But that community do not associate the tri colour with that. It is associated with republicanism. It is like how Irish people do not look at a union jack and feel represented even though Ireland is represented on the flag. A new flag would be needed, one which all sides can feel represents them.
Renno123 wrote: » Sorry I don't understand the first paragraph. The red cross in the union jack flag is the red cross of St Patrick, which makes up the Irish connection. My point was that even though this is on the flag, Irish people do not associate that flag with Ireland, the same way the tri colour is not seen by unionism to represent them.
Room1o1 wrote: » If a united Ireland did happen would it mean a new state and a new constitution? Would need to think about that alot first
[Deleted User] wrote: » The North needs to sort out it's social and economic crap before it should be allowed into the Republic. It simply has far too much nasty baggage, and the Unionists are only part of that. The Republicans are just as bad, and are highly unlikely to calmly settle down to play good citizens in Ireland. I think the threat of a United Ireland would get me off my arse, and willing to publicly campaign against it. Unification would fck this country up for decades (if not longer) due having to deal with all that ****e.
Five Eighth wrote: » Fair enough. Understand why you would take that view. There have been and are a number of threads discussing Northern Ireland and it's place in the modern world. From what I can gather, posters who take a similar position to your goodself don't ever mention any acknowledgement of responsibility to those of our fellow Irish men and women who live in the six counties. It's always about the Unionist community and their hardline attitude towards a UI. If a majority in the NI vote for a UI, is there any duty upon us Irish to welcome our fellow Irish people 'home'?
bilbot79 wrote: » The answer is to give every single unionist' in the north a 50k relocation bonus to move to the UK. The British and Irish governments split the bill. Everybody wins.
trixi001 wrote: » I have never understood this argument - Democracy means accepting the will of the majority - if 50.1% of people vote for something, why should the minority actually win the vote via nothing changing? I can understand that a small majority means things are more difficult, but it doesn't mean the majority should not be respected The Nationalists in the North have had to live as per Democracy for years as the majority in NI were in favour it being part of the UK, but the tide is turning. and in the not too distant future 50%+1 may be in favour of a United & Free Ireland, why should the small majority matter..its still a majority, refusing to accept it is refusing democracy to the same people that have had to accept the democratic will of the people for 100 years before! As for how it will work from an Irish perspective - it is the opportunity to create a "New" Ireland - perhaps consider decentralising power - give each province some form of super council. Consider the how good elements of the North could be rolled out throughout Ireland (NHS?) It will not simply be a matter of the North joining the South, it will be the 2 states merging to create a new state. And yes, the unionists will need to be considered, as even in a UI they still form a sizeable majority (Roughly half of the North is unionist - they will be about 14% of the overall Irish population) - and considering how often there is currently a coalition government they may form part of the government some terms. The unionist traditions are already honoured in Donegal - an orange order parade in Rossnowlagh is held every year without any problems. For the sake of Long Term Peace Ireland should be united - yes in the short term there may be problems but with the support of the UK, EU, & USA (and i do believe there will be significant support - financial and otherwise) these can be sorted. Look through history - Irish "Troubles" kick off roughly every 30-50 years 1798 1848 - Young Irelanders 1867 - Fenian Rising 1916 - Easter Rising, Then Civil War 1940's - Northern Campaign 1970's - 2000 - Troubles Once the older generations die, and the actual reality of war/revolution are forgotten, there is always a possibility of violence restarting in the North The North has seen sustained periods of violence since partition, the South (other than the immediate period after partition) has seen little or none despite there being people of a unionist mindset living in it for a long number of years - i would said very few people in the South now want to join the UK. The same didn't happen in the North, those not wanting to live in the UK, never forgot they are Irish, their Children won't forget - its an Island, it will always be strange for one part of the Island to belong to another Island - and this will lead to simmering tensions for years to come with the possibility for significant violence For the sake of my children and their children i really hope for a united Ireland in the not too distant future
Rikand wrote: » They should just strike out on their own as Northern Ireland. Rid themselves of the Brits and tell us to kindly **** off too. Just go it alone. A lot of them identify as Northern Irish anyway
Sunny Disposition wrote: » Democracy will have to win. If a majority in both jurisdictions vote for a UI it just has to happen, and, while it is very unfortunate that one generation has to deal with the fallout, that's how it is. Unfortunately there's not going to be a consensus, more chance of Gerry Adams becoming head of the commonwealth. There's a need to start planning right now for a unionist minority in a united Ireland. The political establishment doesn't want to know, but it is imminent.
Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: » But it’s not and most likely not in any of our lifetimes. Like I have said before, once the republicans/catholics are informed of what a UI entails, what they will lose, what it will cost them, they won’t want it either and hopefully that will be the end of it.
Strumms wrote: » The rest of the UK would say good luck in a heartbeat.. For a population of 1.9 million people they benefit to the tune of about 9.2 billion a year from the rest of the UK... According to the psni’s own numbers in the last decade, the highest cost for one financial year for them to just police and manage parades, protests and related disorder was 22 million.
VinLieger wrote: » Fair enough but i honestly believe if this is all discussed correctly prior to a reunification poll in the south where the specifics of how and what would begin happening if both votes succeeded then i dont think it would pass here. I do not believe the vast majority of those who say they would vote yes have ever considered the idea of a new flag let alone a new anthem and the hundreds of other changes that would be required to appease unionists.
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