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How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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Continuation of the How long before Irish reunification? thread.

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RobMc59

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's the very least they could do seeing as 10 million doses have left the EU for GB while nothing has gone the other way.

The NI government waiving protocol to help Ireland is something the EU should consider instead of being a bunch of jobsworths over ridiculous rules like a bit of soil on a plant or a protruding fishtail. :rolleyes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobsworth

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's the very least they could do seeing as 10 million doses have left the EU for GB while nothing has gone the other way.

Tom. Why do you think that 10million doses have left the Eu to UK while none have gone the other way?

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Yes. Just shows we don’t need a united ireland to be mutually beneficial to each other. Onwards and upwards

We need a UI to stop those who want to follow a foreign power with no care or concern for this island and causing harm to everyone on this island. There is a reason why that power is responsible for one of the highest tolls in the world from Covid.

Junkyard Tom

It's the very least they could do seeing as 10 million doses have left the EU for GB while nothing has gone the other way.

https://twitter.com/LoveEU67/status/1373919662552014853?s=20

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Only right after we shored up their emergency response. Closer and closer together.

Yes. Just shows we don’t need a united ireland to be mutually beneficial to each other. Onwards and upwards

And also nice to see Roi opposing a ban on vaccines to us.

downcow

jm08 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1374006155220025344?s=20

It’s a pity the Roi viewers will listen to a self serving dinosaur like paisley. Guess it helps them put all unionists in the wee box they like to put us in.

downcow

RobMc59 wrote: »

Great news that NI is helping Ireland in the fight against the virus.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/north-waives-sanctions-on-eligible-republic-residents-seeking-covid-vaccine-1.4515924

Excellent. I am glad. I’d like to see us roll it out across the whole island. We are neighbours after all and who wouldn’t want to help their neighbour

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

Great news that NI is helping Ireland in the fight against the virus.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/north-waives-sanctions-on-eligible-republic-residents-seeking-covid-vaccine-1.4515924

Only right after we shored up their emergency response. Closer and closer together.

RobMc59

Great news that NI is helping Ireland in the fight against the virus.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/north-waives-sanctions-on-eligible-republic-residents-seeking-covid-vaccine-1.4515924

jm08

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1374006155220025344?s=20

AdrianG08

McMurphy wrote: »

They're a thundering disgrace.

https://twitter.com/PatCatney/status/1373930568350625795?s=19

In fairness I think this has proven to be false today. Seems to be a bit of a division in the DUP, Foster is supposedly being seen by hardliners as being too fond of appeasing nationalism apparently.

Sinn fein are just as bad in fairness- https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sinn-f%C3%A9in-vetoes-stormont-stone-marking-ni-centenary-1.4513961

They are actually as bad as each other with their point scoring, trying to win over the hard liners within their communities. Neither party (DUP or SF) have ever spoken about a policy that doesn't shine a light on division.

McMurphy

They're a thundering disgrace.

https://twitter.com/PatCatney/status/1373930568350625795?s=19

Junkyard Tom

downcow wrote: »

Most moderate unionists are opposed to an Irish language act

Which means they're not moderate.

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's time now for moderate Unionists to vote for Alliance or just stay at home in the next election.

Most moderate unionists are opposed to an Irish language act so they will think the DUP has gone too soft with this statement.
Unfortunately I believe the DUP were about to cave in anyhow on the Irish language act.

AdrianG08

So lets get this straight.

The DUP agreed to the protocol on the quiet. Our government crow about how its brilliant.

The Loyalist mob then start to dissent.

DUP swiftly see this and in order to keep them onside they decide to fight it, given they will lose some faith with the knuckle dragging LVF, UVF crowd.

Followed by stalemate.

Despite protestations, the DUP sign up for the protocol again. When they customs checks started (which the loyalist/sectarian mob wanted at the irish border despite claims to the contrary) in Larne, they start threatening again and once again the DUP are sprung into "we are outraged mode".

Its gas, they are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. They need to appear forward thinking and modern but they are still absolutely cacking themselves over what the likes of Jamie Bryson and the old brigade think.

And the paramilitaries are equally gas, the DUP would sell them down the river (akin to what Boris did to them) equally as quick if they didn't rely on their vote. The idea of Sammy Wilson, Nigel Dodds and the like having to trek from their leafy suburban homes go cap in hand looking for votes of these guys is pure mad. They have nowt in common whatsoever.

There is so much front being put on. The joke they have up the north is that all of these politicians on both sides actually get on and have a great laugh at how divisive they sound in public. The sectarian angle is worth more money to everyone, be it minority grants from UK government, funding for committees on flute playing/irish language classes for whatever your persuasion.

They react to the whims of the absolute prehistoric electorate in some areas. On both sides.

Fionn1952

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's time now for moderate Unionists to vote for Alliance or just stay at home in the next election.

It's quite the bizarre threat, considering their stance on an Irish Language Act before the NI Protocol was ever conceived.

A bit like if the Shinners threatened that they'd never sit in Westminster unless an Irish Language Act was signed.....not much of a threat when you had no intention of doing the former regardless.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Unionism ... gets more-and-more poisonous as it diminishes and thus accelerates its death-spiral.

It's time now for moderate Unionists to vote for Alliance or just stay at home in the next election.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So has the Newsletter, having originally been a republican newspaper.

I can’t fault it for seeing the light and recognising the benefits of the Union

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

The world has moved on.

So has the Newsletter, having originally been a republican newspaper.

Junkyard Tom

downcow wrote: »

The irony of a republican saying the above. Is that not exactly what they have been saying for the last 100 years about NI remaining in UK ? Am I missing something here?

You know I genuinely hope civic Unionists are having secret talks with the Irish Government about what shape they'd like a future UI to take.

By the time the current crowd of 'leaders' are whittled down to a couple of dozen Jim Alister types representing the 'traditional unionist voice' then they'll be sort of dismissed as the lunatic fringe whether they have legitimate ideas or not for their future UI home.

frosty123

Is it true that catholic/nationalists in the north have large families on purpose so as to outnumber the protestants?

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Newsletter is the equivalent of An Poblacht.
It's editor 'outed' a twitter user as a 'provo' recently and had to lay low for several days, not even sure he has surfaced yet.

It's also on it's uppers so shows how few actually read it and are as belligerent.

The world has moved on. I personally never buy a newspaper but the newsletter is a unashamedly unionist institution. The oldest English speaking newspaper in the world.

FrancieBrady

The Newsletter is the equivalent of An Poblacht.
It's editor 'outed' a twitter user as a 'provo' recently and had to lay low for several days, not even sure he has surfaced yet.

It's also on it's uppers so shows how few actually read it and are as belligerent.

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It would be quite a spectacle to have a population of 30% of the North saying they will 'never accept a United Ireland' when it would be completely out of their hands.

Oh the irony (I could use another word, but I am on best behaviour)

The irony of a republican saying the above. Is that not exactly what they have been saying for the last 100 years about NI remaining in UK ? Am I missing something here?

downcow

Fionn1952 wrote: »

Sam is the Political Editor for the Newsletter, Downcow.
.

The poster promoted him to newsletter editor. I was simply correcting that which I hope you feel is fair enough and that you realise that the sports editor, political editor, etc is very different from the newspaper editor

Fionn1952

downcow wrote: »

When did Sam become editor of the newsletter?
I very much appreciate his critical inputs. He is doing wonders for unionism. Not scared to shine a light on what he sees wrong. He is a strong unionist and his writings come from the right place.

If there was a nationalist journalist with similar ability to critique nationalist thinking, it would be very helpful

This is an excellent piece you have posted. Why I can’t abide the DUP

Sam is the Political Editor for the Newsletter, Downcow.

Despite my (regularly stated) views on The Newsletter as a publication, I'd have all the time in the world for Alex Kane and plenty of time for Sam too (even if I disagree with them both on quite a lot).

It is hard to think of a comparable Nationalist paper to The Newsletter. Realistically it would probably be something like the andytown news, with a similar circulation. It has certainly been critical of Nationalist strategy at times, but probably a bit too close to the party line regarding SF with Máirtín Ó Muilleoir at the helm.

Junkyard Tom

The tragedy of N/Irish Unionism is that it gets more-and-more poisonous as it diminishes and thus accelerates its death-spiral.

It would be quite a spectacle to have a population of 30% of the North saying they will 'never accept a United Ireland' when it would be completely out of their hands.

downcow

McMurphy wrote: »

Sam McBride (editor of the newsletter) spells out why unionists are in quite evident trouble and so isolated.

https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1373188833076989959?s=19

When did Sam become editor of the newsletter?
I very much appreciate his critical inputs. He is doing wonders for unionism. Not scared to shine a light on what he sees wrong. He is a strong unionist and his writings come from the right place.

If there was a nationalist journalist with similar ability to critique nationalist thinking, it would be very helpful

This is an excellent piece you have posted. Why I can’t abide the DUP

downcow

This cheered up my Sunday morning.
This is what Sinn Fein are saving ireland with lol “United ireland Easter eggs”.
And I see he has downgraded his ambition to “uniting the people of ireland”. I am ok with that and support him 100%. Let’s start by sharing The vaccine and establish healthy respectful links.

The penny seems to have dropped at last that the old ambition of uniting Ireland into one country is unachievable and goes against the direction of most countries of allowing people to self determination and live as good neighbouring countries. Which allows for more united people accross international boundaries.

Let’s get the people united, and if republicans need to get together to eat united ireland Easter eggs made from milk from the banks of the Boyne, then thats good with me.

Bobby sands would be incredulous.

https://www.facebook.com/165088196843841/posts/4081652478520707/?vh=e&extid=0&d=n

McMurphy

Sam McBride (editor of the newsletter) spells out why unionists are in quite evident trouble and so isolated.

https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1373188833076989959?s=19