FrancieBrady wrote: » Read the comments and you might get a feel for why a cross section of the public think it out of line. BTW I don't recall the government getting a free pass to do what they like because there is a pandemic.
wicklowstevo wrote: » ignored the point being made , again no problem when its some one else but when its one of yer own ….
AdrianBalboa wrote: » https://www.thejournal.ie/paddy-holohan-sinn-fein-3-5386485-Mar2021/ The idea that Sinn Féin themselves didn’t remove this sexist, racist, dangerous dunce is a damning self-indictment of their policy towards who should be seen representing them. He should have been booted out months ago.
FrancieBrady wrote: » This is the SF thread...why would I be calling attention to other parties? I don't use misogyny, nicknames, or comment on how somebody looks or their gender.
wicklowstevo wrote: » I think it would be better to refrain from commenting on your particular morality or lack there of for the benefit of the rules here
blanch152 wrote: » There were plenty of Sinn Fein (and Social Democrat) supporters and voters on here who defended our Paddy from accusations of homophobia and racism for weeks on end. They haven't gone away, you know. It is incredible really, the lengths that people will go to excuse a man like him. Very few politicians have sunk to such lows as Holohan (maybe Ming dropped his trousers lower) but few inspired such devotional defenders.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What?
wicklowstevo wrote: » go on out of that francie now the party has a short memory but a day or two ?
FrancieBrady wrote: » No idea what you are on about tbh.
wicklowstevo wrote: » I am unsurprised but no one else is , same old same
blanch152 wrote: » https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/rhi-scandal-arlene-foster-is-tough-but-shes-not-immune-to-horrific-online-abuse-35342735.html A pity that this wall mural hasn't been taken down in a SF-controlled area. It kind of shows up the blatant hypocrisy of the party. I am sure that you and other posters on here like maccored who have complained about the Mary-Lou depiction were the first on here to raise the issue of the wall mural depicting Arlene Foster as a witch, weren't you? The cartoon crossed a line, just barely, but the sustained abuse by SF supporters of women like Arlene Foster, Mairia Cahill, Breege Quinn and others means that the complaints sound very hollow.
FrancieBrady wrote: » blanch...I have never attacked Arlene Foster or Mairia Cahill on the basis of their gender...fact. That you need to point over there to dilute this case and cannot separate 'supporters' from a main stream newspaper speaks to why this kind of depiction of women still persists.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Charlie unable to help himself.https://twitter.com/CharlieFlanagan/status/1373572873282068480
blanch152 wrote: » Sorry, but a full-size wall mural in a SF-controlled area depicting Arlene as a witch shines more than a little light on the hypocrisy of the complaints. That Sinn Fein couldn't bring themselves to expelling the misogynistic, homophobic, racist troll known as Paddy Holohan tells the same tale of their hypocrisy. I am not defending the cartoon, I have called posters out on here for misogynistic posts about Mary-Lou, but I cannot stand the type of hypocrisy being displayed in relation to this issue. Go on, see can you condemn the wall mural without equivocation.
FrancieBrady wrote: » How are the Women's Council of Ireland being 'hypocritical' exactly blanch? Again your attempts to dilute this are disgraceful.https://www.newstalk.com/news/deeply-sexist-mary-lou-mcdonald-cartoon-could-put-women-off-politics-nwci-1168434?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1616404776
blanch152 wrote: » Oh, I agree, the National Women's Council are not hypocritical, but they didn't support Paddy Holohan as a member for several years. Neither did they control a wall mural depicting Arlene Foster as a witch, and their supporters didn't defend all of that on social media seven days a week. That is why the complaints from Sinn Fein are hollow and hypocritical. I have given my view that the cartoon crossed a line, but you have refused to condemn the wall mural (and Paddy Holohan) in the same way that you condemned the cartoon.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Just totally unable to call this out for what it is. Cowardly, in fairness.
blanch152 wrote: » .I have given my view that the cartoon crossed a line, but you have refused to condemn the wall mural (and Paddy Holohan) in the same way that you condemned the cartoon.
blanch152 wrote: » I have called it out, but I have also called out the hypocrisy on display from Sinn Fein, their supporters and their apologists. Sinn Fein sound like a member of the KKK complaining about racism.
A pity that this wall mural hasn't been taken down in a SF-controlled area. It kind of shows up the blatant hypocrisy of the party.
a very cool kid wrote: » Ah here far worse things were said and done about Joan Burton and there was no outcry. You're just trying to distract from the message of the cartoon....
FrancieBrady wrote: » You have diluted it and called those who have criticised it (who most certainly aren't just SF) hypocrites. I will remind you of your first line on this, which was straight into 'look over there mode: I'll leave what you did there.
blanch152 wrote: » Sorry Francie, I have criticised the cartoon, and I haven't called myself a hypocrite. Neither have I called the NWC hypocrites. Neither are the politicians from other parties who have all called it out, hypocrites. I have called out SF, their supporters and their apologists (those who don't support or vote for them but excuse them all the time on social media) as hypocrites on the issue of misogyny. I make no apology for that, as it is plainly obvious.
FrancieBrady wrote: » blanch, you cannot call out a blatant piece of misogyny without FIRST pointing at SF, who have incidents of misogyny in their party just like all other parties have. That is sad and a sad day for women who suffer this in political life.
blanch152 wrote: » This is a relatively minor piece of misogyny. Take the famous SF internal Facebook group which contained the use of the c-word and the b-word. That was denied from on high by posters on here, and excused. It was far worse than this cartoon.
