How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

Nearly 130,000 dead souls in the UK (may they RIP), a large proportion of the population running around half-vaccinated, and one of the worst hit economies on Earth from Brexit + COVID19, and this this is being sold as something the world is standing back and admiring...

Good grief, we are well-and-truly dealing with a very propagandised population in the UK.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Republican dissidents must be absolutely delighted with Unionism's relentless own-goals. Britain's international reputation is in the toilet and it has essentially inflicted harsh trade sanctions on itself with its awful Brexit deal and woeful unpreparedness.

There is no happy ending for anyone in all this not least of all N/Irish Unionism. I could imagine Stormont falling and crippling austerity being visited upon the north from England by various methods, practically guaranteeing a pro-UI vote within a few years.

A United Ireland could end up being a sort of rescue mission.

The irony. As the world looks on in admiration at the UK, Tom says it’s reputation has gone down the toilet.
Watch the national news last night. British press, not known for talking up the nation, are cock-a-hoop about the UK reputation at the minute.

We are leading every aspect of dealing with the pandemic.
Most advanced geneo technology in the world
Most advanced in detecting variants
Most advanced in developing vaccines
On of the best rollouts worldwide
Booster shots ready to go for autumn
First to sign a series of contracts with foreign vaccine makers
Not deflected by silly rumours about clots like many European countries.

I have never been as proud or relieved to be british.

....and Eu doesn’t know who to stop the vaccines coming our way as they are kicking themselves that they have left the back door open with the Irish protocol.

I genuinely hope the UK will follow Arlene’s advice and bring Roi along with us on vaccines (if you are allowed to use uk vaccines). But that won’t look good for the United irelanders

Maybe we can all agree to trigger artic 16 to at least get the vaccines from UK to Roi

Republican dissidents must be absolutely delighted with Unionism's relentless own-goals. Britain's international reputation is in the toilet and it has essentially inflicted harsh trade sanctions on itself with its awful Brexit deal and woeful unpreparedness.

There is no happy ending for anyone in all this not least of all N/Irish Unionism. I could imagine Stormont falling and crippling austerity being visited upon the north from England by various methods, practically guaranteeing a pro-UI vote within a few years.

A United Ireland could end up being a sort of rescue mission.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Pretty significant and ominous warning for Unionism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-nireland-minister-idUSKBN2BB1WU

It’s quite sad really. This is the outcome of Roi using threat of violence for two years To get there own way.

Little does Roi see that the Eu is just using them and the ni border to increase difficulties for UK and deter others from trying to leave.

Pretty significant and ominous warning for Unionism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-nireland-minister-idUSKBN2BB1WU

eire4 wrote: »

Ahh yes put up a monument to commemorate the founding of a bigoted, racist apartheid statelet 100 years ago. How could anybody object to that. That is so risible.

My town centre has an illegal granite monument in its centre on Council property. The monument is to a terrorist organisation which murdered townsfolk in living memory.

I guess you think that is fine?

Watch this space. The monument will be erected.

It can be put up in 20 minutes any night. There will be some crack getting through the stormont red tape to get it removed - will it require a majority of both communities to remove it? It could be interesting.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm sorry you don't seem to understand.

Unionists have been quite explicitly told that time is up. You need to get in to negotiations with Dublin.

What other way do you need to be told?

It's patently obvious they want you out.

The British, to be fair, are trying to tell you in the nicest way possible.

Thanks to the gfa we the people of ni hold all the cards on that one.

eire4

RobMc59 wrote: »

Whereas a statue of Sean russell ,ira member and nazi henchman is grand.

Your whataboutery is on fire today I see Rob love it great stuff.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Wait til Rob tells us he was from Dublin...

I'm well aware who Carson is,I took this photo a couple of years ago at the museum in letterkenny.

BonnieSituation

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Carson, the terrorist who put the gun back into Irish politics is already front and centre at Stormont...along with a plethora of Unionist statuary and names.

Wait til Rob tells us he was from Dublin...

RobMc59 wrote: »

Whereas a statue of Sean russell ,ira member and nazi henchman is grand.

Carson, the terrorist who put the gun back into Irish politics is already front and centre at Stormont...along with a plethora of Unionist statuary and names.

eire4 wrote: »

Ahh yes put up a monument to commemorate the founding of a bigoted, racist apartheid statelet 100 years ago. How could anybody object to that. That is so risible.

Whereas a statue of Sean russell ,ira member and nazi henchman is grand.

eire4

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jim is upset at not getting yet another Unionist monument erected that seems to me anyway to have 7 counties now...is there something I haven't been told?

https://twitter.com/JimAllister/status/1372602253807390731

Ahh yes put up a monument to commemorate the founding of a bigoted, racist apartheid statelet 100 years ago. How could anybody object to that. That is so risible.

eire4

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Unionism is fascinating in a strange way. Absolutely venerate Britain, sometimes mention 'the mainland', but they are totally out of step with it.

Opinions that people might have held 40 years ago are still completely acceptable at the very top of unionism, but not anywhere else in the UK or Ireland. Ulster Protestants love for the UK is totally unrequited, which is kind of sad, but somehow they never seem to move on.

Its a complex identity, often shown in very negative ways like support for the Orange Order (which doesn't alllow Catholics), huge bonfires and support for very outdates social positions. It just doesn't seem to regenerate at all.

That is largely because it is an identity build on supremacy of one group over another. Nowhere to go with that really other then recognising that is wrong. Agree with what your saying there in general. Loved how you used unrequited. Excellent.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Maybe it's a metaphor for how NI would have been more stable with Monaghan and the rest of Oriel?

The horse bolted from that stable horse!

BonnieSituation

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jim is upset at not getting yet another Unionist monument erected that seems to me anyway to have 7 counties now...is there something I haven't been told?

https://twitter.com/JimAllister/status/1372602253807390731

Maybe it's a metaphor for how NI would have been more stable with Monaghan and the rest of Oriel?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jim is upset at not getting yet another Unionist monument erected that seems to me anyway to have 7 counties now...is there something I haven't been told?

https://twitter.com/JimAllister/status/1372602253807390731

Maybe he wants to revive Terence O'Neill's plan to drain Lough Neagh?

https://twitter.com/JimAllister/status/1372602253807390731

Granadino wrote: »

I wonder does Jim Allister get really pissed off with all the St Paddy's day (granted it's a good marketing stunt) stuff around the world, rivers died green etc. Does he wonder why the American WASPS never do the same for July 12th....
Ah if only Willie Frazer was still around.....

Jim is upset at not getting yet another Unionist monument erected that seems to me anyway to have 7 counties now...is there something I haven't been told?

Granadino

I wonder does Jim Allister get really pissed off with all the St Paddy's day (granted it's a good marketing stunt) stuff around the world, rivers died green etc. Does he wonder why the American WASPS never do the same for July 12th....
Ah if only Willie Frazer was still around.....

RobMc59 wrote: »

As time passes,it's apparent both parties are to blame.The current situation of sniping at each other and petty squabbling isn't helping anyone.The tories insisting no close ties to brussels and brussels saying only a common sense approach if you do what we say,which as the much more powerful party is to be expected but here's the downside-irs not only hitting the UK it's hitting EU trade into the UK. It's easy to blame it all on the UK but if you consider the complex,unique trading relationship,security and so much more,is this deal the best both parties could come up with?Should the UK be treated as just another 3rd party or should a truly innovative,groundbreaking deal have been hammered out?

The bad faith behaviour is entirely down to the UK. Entirely. The Tories insisted on limited alignment to Brussels and this is the result.

Theresa May drew her red lines and Brussels' response to was to negotiate within that framework. Need I dig up that Powerpoint slide yet again?

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

One wonders why the UK government proposed and agreed to such a terrible deal.

As time passes,it's apparent both parties are to blame.The current situation of sniping at each other and petty squabbling isn't helping anyone.The tories insisting no close ties to brussels and brussels saying only a common sense approach if you do what we say,which as the much more powerful party is to be expected but here's the downside-irs not only hitting the UK it's hitting EU trade into the UK. It's easy to blame it all on the UK but if you consider the complex,unique trading relationship,security and so much more,is this deal the best both parties could come up with?Should the UK be treated as just another 3rd party or should a truly innovative,groundbreaking deal have been hammered out?

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Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The EU spoke of invoking A16, Ireland said 'don't do this' and we were listened to as we're an EU partner. As for Unionism?

Anglo Irish Agreement? Enacted despite cries of betrayal from Unionists.
Same sex marriage? Passed over the heads of the DUP
Abortion? Passed over the heads of the DUP.
NIP? Enacted despite DUP/UUP cries of betrayal.

That's off the top of my head.

You know this. You're just here for the sport.

Unionism is fascinating in a strange way. Absolutely venerate Britain, sometimes mention 'the mainland', but they are totally out of step with it.

Opinions that people might have held 40 years ago are still completely acceptable at the very top of unionism, but not anywhere else in the UK or Ireland. Ulster Protestants love for the UK is totally unrequited, which is kind of sad, but somehow they never seem to move on.

Its a complex identity, often shown in very negative ways like support for the Orange Order (which doesn't alllow Catholics), huge bonfires and support for very outdates social positions. It just doesn't seem to regenerate at all.

RobMc59 wrote: »

Tom,the UK is a Unionist country so minor disagreements amongst us is preferable to 'shut up and do as you're told ' which is the default edict from brussels to its members(with the exception of France and Germany of course who run the show with an iron fist).

The EU spoke of invoking A16, Ireland said 'don't do this' and we were listened to as we're an EU partner. As for Unionism?

Anglo Irish Agreement? Enacted despite cries of betrayal from Unionists.
Same sex marriage? Passed over the heads of the DUP
Abortion? Passed over the heads of the DUP.
NIP? Enacted despite DUP/UUP cries of betrayal.

That's off the top of my head.

You know this. You're just here for the sport.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Unionists have been betrayed and sold down the river (and it's been this way since the Anglo Irish Agreement). They don't care in GB, they really don't.

You're missing the point. They could have secured a good deal for NI if they'd have worked with Theresa May. Instead, they settled for a bribe and undermined her at very turn.

They have themselves to blame just as much as the Conservative party.

RobMc59 wrote: »

The way brussels are behaving over NI is ridiculous.I understand 'rules is rules'but some of the excruciatingly petty things insisted on is ridiculous.
This link regarding shipments of plants from the mainland to NI is an example.
https://www.gardenforum.co.uk/headlines/why-cant-garden-centres-in-ni-buy-plants-seeds-from-gb/

One wonders why the UK government proposed and agreed to such a terrible deal.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I think you'll find that the opposite is literally the case.

The way brussels are behaving over NI is ridiculous.I understand 'rules is rules'but some of the excruciatingly petty things insisted on is ridiculous.
This link regarding shipments of plants from the mainland to NI is an example.
https://www.gardenforum.co.uk/headlines/why-cant-garden-centres-in-ni-buy-plants-seeds-from-gb/

RobMc59 wrote: »

Tom,the UK is a Unionist country so minor disagreements amongst us is preferable to 'shut up and do as you're told ' which is the default edict from brussels to its members(with the exception of France and Germany of course who run the show with an iron fist).

I think you'll find that the opposite is literally the case.

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

No no no. On a psychological level anything is better than coming to terms with the crushing pain of unrequited love. You see Unionists, like a browbeaten spouse, will blame the individual who their partner 'cheated' with behind their back.

That's us, we seduced Unionists' 'partner'. We're the tramps who broke up the marriage and if someone is getting blamed then it's us tramps Kermit, you and me and the rest of them.

Tom,the UK is a Unionist country so minor disagreements amongst us is preferable to 'shut up and do as you're told ' which is the default edict from brussels to its members(with the exception of France and Germany of course who run the show with an iron fist).