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Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

Keano

Time to discuss what golf is going to look like for next year, maybe more, who knows.

What is your club doing? What would you like to see happen?

Mod note: we have done to death the restrictions(5k jumping to 20k in June) so this is not a thread for discussing that topic, take it to COVID-19 forum

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Benicetomonty

Monster249 wrote: »

That isn't going to fly, the longer they try to impose these restrictions the less obedience they'll get from the people which in itself will lead to a rise in cases.

I agree. Fatigue has not only set in at this stage, it's won out.

Yesterday was bad for people getting a bit too close to each other, Easter will be much worse whether restrictions are still in place or not. Government have over promised and under delivered time and time again, with the vaccination shambles only the most recent example, and, when you combine that with the decent weather which will only continue to improve (by and large), you can forget any compliance that in anyway resembles January's levels until next November.

Preserving the current restrictions exactly as they are is the epitome of flogging a dead horse. They have to come up with something. The 5k has to go. Outdoor sport needs to come back because, as Ive pointed out before, this will filter people (some, by no means all) away from parks, beauty spots etc into more controlled, regulated and ultra safe environments which can only have the effect of reducing cases.

Either that or zero covid. Indeed, I think most of us would just settle for proper restrictions on air travel. I was reading about Tawain's success yesterday. You'd wonder how we couldve gotten it so wrong.

RGS

I'm not at all optimistic we are getting any easing of restrictions in April.

Looks like NPHET want us to stay where we are until the end of June.

Seve OB

Arnold54321 wrote: »

Bad news. Rumours coming out that golf will not reopen in April and we’ll have to wait till after the May Bank Holiday weekend. Can’t believe it myself but they believe there’s an increase in case numbers coming which will keep the country in Level 5 till at least May.

Where did you hear that?

ClutchIt

RGS wrote: »

I'm not at all optimistic we are getting any easing of restrictions in April.

Looks like NPHET want us to stay where we are until the end of June.

A 6 month lockdown that would be! I dont think anywhere in the world has had that.

Bill Ponderosa

Arnold54321 wrote: »

Bad news. Rumours coming out that golf will not reopen in April and we’ll have to wait till after the May Bank Holiday weekend. Can’t believe it myself but they believe there’s an increase in case numbers coming which will keep the country in Level 5 till at least May.

Sounds like the usual leaking from the government. Hopefully it doesn't happen but as had been said already the ship has sailed, the restrictions will not be obeyed. As Bob Marlay once said you can't fool all the people all the time.

benji79

The timing is bad as those who’ve picked in up in schools will start showing the symptoms & get tested right before the decision date. Plus if they’re spreading it to their families there could be a significant increase in numbers.

benji79

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

Sounds like the usual leaking from the government. Hopefully it doesn't happen but as had been said already the ship has sailed, the restrictions will not be obeyed. As Bob Marlay once said you can't fool all the people all the time.

Restrictions like the 5k will be broken. But a golf course will still be shut if things aren’t eased, no club is really going to be the one to open and draw the negative attention on themselves

Break80

Looks like the propaganda machine is kicking into gear this morning.
Prof Nolan saying the numbers not good enough for opening until June.
The numbers are stagnated, plateaued, What do you expect when you are dealing with something thats endemic.
Past history with these leaks would suggest by the time April 5th comes the population will have been conditioned to accept June.

Arnold54321

Seve OB wrote: »

Where did you hear that?

From a journalist.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-cabinet-split-on-easing-5km-limit-in-april-as-work-from-home-advice-to-remain-until-june-1.4514206?mode=amp

Apparently golf and other outdoor activities where earlier highlighted as opening back up in April, NPHET had other ideas and now with an increase in cases, politicians are too wary to speak out against them.

First Up

Bill Ponderosa wrote:

As Bob Marlay once said you can't fool all the people all the time.

Have you fooled the virus yet?

[Deleted User]

Surely they have factored in case numbers stagnating or increasing slightly with the opening of schools and all that entails.

If they do nothing next month then nothing will change. They need to keep the gradual reopening which will include some sports and monitor as we go along.

slingerz

It is just all so wearying. I know I’m struggling with all the pessimism. This would be a 14+ week period of lockdown. Is there anywhere in the world that has experienced the same or longer. It’s always negative news, even vaccine rollout is a crap shoot. Depressing

Bill Ponderosa

First Up wrote: »

Have you fooled the virus yet?

Yeah, was on a golf course on Wednesday, virus couldn't get near me! Who would have thought outdoor golf is safe!

Indoor classrooms full of students is safe apparently also!

First Up

Bill Ponderosa wrote:

Yeah, was on a golf course on Wednesday, virus couldn't get near me! Who would have thought outdoor golf is safe!

So we close the schools, shops, factories and offices and teleport you to and from the golf course , which will be mysteriously cutting it's own grass. Sounds a winning formula. I hope you have shared your wisdom with NPHET.

shamco

If they don't open golf in April I think many people will not renew their membership as all you will get is a few months play before the autumn

Bill Ponderosa

First Up wrote: »

So we close the schools, shops, factories and offices and teleport you to and from the golf course , which will be mysteriously cutting it's own grass. Sounds a winning formula. I hope you have shared your wisdom with NPHET.

You're just making things up now.

the long lad

Arnold54321 wrote: »

From a journalist.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-cabinet-split-on-easing-5km-limit-in-april-as-work-from-home-advice-to-remain-until-june-1.4514206?mode=amp

Apparently golf and other outdoor activities where earlier highlighted as opening back up in April, NPHET had other ideas and now with an increase in cases, politicians are too wary to speak out against them.

Are we reading the same article? I don't see anything in there to suggest that golf won't reopen after Easter.

First Up

Bill Ponderosa wrote:

You're just making things up now.

Well you gave playing golf a higher safety rating than schools, so presumably you think all settings where people mix indoors are more dangerous.

Break80

First Up wrote: »

So we close the schools, shops, factories and offices and teleport you to and from the golf course , which will be mysteriously cutting it's own grass. Sounds a winning formula. I hope you have shared your wisdom with NPHET.

The general argument here is golf is safer than the schools,shops,factories and offices you mentioned so why is it still closed?
You will probably be stopping for petrol/coffee on your way to any of the above as well.

Monster249

First Up wrote: »

So we close the schools, shops, factories and offices and teleport you to and from the golf course , which will be mysteriously cutting it's own grass. Sounds a winning formula. I hope you have shared your wisdom with NPHET.

What point are you trying to make here?

Break80

First Up wrote: »

Well you gave playing golf a higher safety rating than schools, so presumably you think all settings where people mix indoors are more dangerous.

Of course

First Up

Monster249 wrote:

What point are you trying to make here?

For golf courses to be open, they need staff, equipment and supplies. That would need all golf related activity to be exempted from restrictions.

Walking the fairways is the easy bit.

[Deleted User]

First Up wrote: »

For golf courses to be open, they need staff, equipment and supplies. That would need all golf related activity to be exempted from restrictions.

Walking the fairways is the easy bit.

They are exempt and Courses are all being maintained.

Monster249

First Up wrote: »

For golf courses to be open, they need staff, equipment and supplies. That would need all golf related activity to be exempted from restrictions.

Walking the fairways is the easy bit.

I don't see what you're getting at though. Are you insinuating that cases will rise because the employees of the golf course will be back to work and that's where the risk is?

Break80

First Up wrote: »

For golf courses to be open, they need staff, equipment and supplies. That would need all golf related activity to be exempted from restrictions.

Walking the fairways is the easy bit.

I think you are winding people up now.
Staff has been maintaining courses since this began last year.
Perhaps if you played the game you might know this.

First Up

Exactly wrote:

They are exempt and Courses are all being maintained.

Limited numbers needed for that compared to staffing and maintaining a course to allow a few hundred people a day. And golfers won't be exempted from travel restrictions.

I will be as happy as anyone to be back playing but portraying it as single golfers walking the fairways is not the full picture.

blue note

Break80 wrote: »

The general argument here is golf is safer than the schools,shops,factories and offices you mentioned so why is it still closed?
You will probably be stopping for petrol/coffee on your way to any of the above as well.

It's not just about how safe each activity is, it's also about how important it is to allow that activity. Opening schools allows for our kids to be educated and allows parents to work from home. Opening golf courses allows for people to play golf and gives a relatively small number of people (in the scheme of things) employment. There's no comparison between the two.

It's the same for construction. Much higher risk than golf, much greater benefit. You're not just comparing the risk.

The government will take an unbelievable amount of flack if they don't ease the restrictions in some way on 5th April. They'll also take huge flack further down the line if they ease them and things get out of control again. Which is exactly what happened in December - they caved to public / publican pressure to reopen, most people were glad of it at the time and a month later everyone was calling the government idiots for reopening when they had demanded it.

The truth is now that the cases are twice what they were in December when we reopened and are no longer falling. If we ease restrictions that R number will increase and if it's at 1 at present it will go beyond 1 and cases will start to increase again.

However, there's the vaccine. Between the number of people who have been vaccinated and the number who should be protected from previously having had the virus, surely we have a significant number of people immune. So as more people become protected from the virus, we should be able to allow more contacts (such as opening golf) and have the R number hold steady.

But if they get it wrong and open up too soon the numbers will shoot up again. And instead of having another month of lockdown now, we might end up with another three months of it down the line. I don't know what the right thing to do is. It must be incredibly difficult for the government to figure out what the best course of action (or inaction) is and they have access to all the data, all the experts. I would say they would love to be as confident as the posters here on the best course of action, but they're being burdened by data and advice from experts. Maybe they need the Brexit strategy of "we've heard enough from the experts in this debate, now it's time to decide what to do without listening to them."

[Deleted User]

First Up wrote: »

Limited numbers needed for that compared to staffing and maintaining a course to allow a few hundred people a day. And golfers won't be exempted from travel restrictions.

I will be as happy as anyone to be back playing but portraying it as single golfers walking the fairways is not the full picture.

Where did I portray anything as single golfers walking the fairways?

gypsy79

If golf opens then I will be safe and at a slightly smaller risk of COVID 19

Because instead of playing golf tomorrow I am going drinking with family members

First Up

Exactly wrote:

Where did I portray anything as single golfers walking the fairways?

I admit that I have not been tracking your contributions as closely as you think I should. The overall theme here is that golf is a safe activity. It is a fair but limited point, as it ignores all of the other activities that need to take place to enable people play golf.