FrancieBrady wrote: » It's good old fashioned exceptionalism. Something is fine when FG do or say it, but if the Shinner bogeymen/women do it...man the keyboards.
markodaly wrote: » Did FG make an issue of it? No. Garry Gannon from the SD's did. Not sure why people bring FG into the mix.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Did Gary tweet when Leo said it at the election? No, he didn't because as pointed out. locally the SF vote is his 'bogeyman/woman'.
markodaly wrote: » I don't think so but again, better ask the SD's or Garry why he didn't. There seem's to be many SD supporters around so it wouldn't be too hard to find an answer. Again, nothing to do with FG.
James Brown wrote: » You know well of course. Bubbaclaus raised it here first. Claimed leader of the opposition wasn't a thing. Claimed MLMD said she had a right. Some of us called it out as a non issue. Bubbaclaus brought in Gannon to show someone had issue. This was explained to you already. It was shown that it was a thing, enter FG, because Varadkar referred to himself as such. It was also not supported or backed up that MLMD had said she had a right. You knew all this. If we are to believe it's a relatively knew british thing brought in by FG and SF adopted it, why did folk spend days attacking MLMD for using it? And why only after it was shown Varadkar used it was it no longer an issue? Is that the misogyny you were talking about? W as it only an issue when you thought MLMD was the only one?
Finty Lemon wrote: » It has been a poor week for MLM all the same. Apparent hypocrisy on womens rights, no traction on the ' we are confused' line, resolution coming on vaccine supply, 94% of students opting for CA and schools calmly reopening, 93% of vaccines administered within a week of arrival, Michael Martin doing well on St Patricks Day, no major trouble on the streets, her insistence on telling us how many letters she writes making her sound like the neighbourhood crank, her demands to be heared swatted away by the grown ups. I think she looks and sounds tired. The record is stuck Mary. Time for a change
markodaly wrote: » Bubbaclaus != FG
FrancieBrady wrote: » It has nothing to do with FG or anyone else for that matter, it has plenty to do with cheapshots and othering of the Shinners. Leader of the opposition has been shown to be a convention here that others see themselves as if they are the largest party in opposition. So that's the end of that.
blanch152 wrote: » At the end of the day it is about earning respect. Sinn Fein and Mary-Lou have done nothing to earn the respect of other political parties. They couldn't find a single one to agree a Programme for Government to support her as Taoiseach at the end of the day. They still have other much smaller opposition parties like the SDs poking fun at them for claiming the Leader of the Opposition position. Big changes are needed for Sinn Fein if they are to avoid becoming the permanent opposition. Soundbites and photo opportunities won't be enough.
Deleted User wrote: » I'm not sure the SDs offer much more than 'we haven't been in Government' either tbh. It's all hot air and hopium.
blanch152 wrote: » To be fair, there is some experience of government among their members, unlike Sinn Fein who couldn't run a parish council.
Deleted User wrote: » One of the major shortcomings of SF as the main party in opposition so far has been their flip-flopping on issues.
James Brown wrote: » Nope. I'll explain again. He said it wasn't a thing. It was shown it had been and is. Varadkar was used as an example. You should really try read what you respond to.
McMurphy wrote: » The Oireachtas recognises opposition leaders too.... Seems a very strange thing to try and claim is not a thing here tbh.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Well your record on predicting the future for SF isn't great in fairness blanch. I'd say they'll do their own thing. Their record so far on holding FG FF (oops, nearly forgot the Greens) to account speaks for itself. How many resignations now and one senior Minister under a criminal investigation...unprecedented I would say for a government term.
a very cool kid wrote: » Sinn Féin had nothing to do with the resignations? The Taoiseach sacked Cowen because he wouldn't tell the truth, not Sinn Féin, Calleary screwed up, realised he was caught and resigned before the Taoiseach swing the axe and per your own prior assessment Leo hasn't been found guilty so he's innocent of a crime? It's actually a massive failing of SF that Leo is still there, Pearse's wannabe A Time to Kill impression was a huge failure. The substance completely lost in his pathetic performance.
FrancieBrady wrote: » It can also be said these things only happened because of the pressure the opposition apply. It's regularly referred to in media. Your position is just more of the same...'SF can't do what every opposition has done since the foundation of the state'. It's boring now lads, really is. The game changed, FF and FG were forced to merge in all but name...why? Because an opposition with teeth, which is not signed up to the power swap way of doing politics has arrived.
a very cool kid wrote: » If the Taoiseach didn't want Cowen gone he`d still be there, nothing to do with SF. SF got the most first preference votes but did nothing with them. There is no consolation prixe.
FrancieBrady wrote: » All I require of SF is to finally break up the power swap and the job is complete.
markodaly wrote: » That is an odd way of looking at it, get into power and job done? That is only the start of it, its all about what they do in power.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Had it been the old days Cowen would laughed and it would have been swept under the carpet. New times, they can't get away with that anymore. That's good for politics here imo. All I require of SF is to finally break up the power swap and the job is complete.
Deleted User wrote: » Do southern SF have any policies though? I'm not really seeing why someone who is disillusioned with the realities of modern Capitalism would think that SF is worthy of a vote. Advocate for a pension age of 65 down here, but vote in for 67 up North. Rates up North, but against water and property taxes down South. Pro-choice here, but siding with the DUP up North. Eoin O'B writing books about social housing, but leading a campaign to not have them built in his constituency. Is it really just about a UI? Is that all there is to it?
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