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General Star Trek thread

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I thought it might be an idea for us to start a general Star Trek thread to discuss anything and everything related to Trek.

I'm in the middle of watching DS9 now, I'm being reminded how funny Quark is, he was great.

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corkie

Why Do People Actually Hate New Star Trek?

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AMKC wrote: »

Star Trek Enterprise Season2 Episode23 Regeneration.
To you really think Picard and co would leave all the Borg technolagy lying around. I for one do not. I think they would have scanned for any Borg debree then beamed it up.
So really that episode should not and probably would not happen.
What do ye think?

Clearly they hung around long enough to patch up the Ent to take it back through the magic portal so would have had plenty of time to scan the place and tidy up the mess.

Stark

Wow, I was a massive power rangers fan as a kid but I never noticed that before.

Evade

I'll always remember the Borg in Descent took over the original Oower Rangers HQ.

Rawr

Roughly related to the sets conversation, I did stumble on this interesting video a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4QN4xgKXYU

It's interesting, and sort of makes sense, that Star Trek productions would have a couple of "favourite spots" to go out and shoot. Especially that rocky valley they used in both TOS and Voyager etc...

Stark

They didn't have holodecks back then so needed whole planets as the settings for their period costume episodes

Watched the Augments episodes again during my recent Enterprise rewatch. Liked them better than I remembered. The whole premise was pointless but Brent Spiner did an excellent job with the Soong character. Like Lore but with a conscience.

Rawr

breezy1985 wrote: »

They really were not thinking too deep about the plots in that sense back in TOS. There is an awful lot of gangster planets and cowboy planets in there

I suspect there was a lot of "Which set on the Paramount lot can we *borrow* this week?" thinking during that production.

breezy1985

TheValeyard wrote: »

I thought the augment virus episode was really well done.

It just never needed to exist. You dont need to explain crap 60s special effects.

Also Ill cry if we see another Soong especially played by Spiner

TheValeyard

AMKC wrote: »

The Feringi episode really was terrible but at least there is a few laughs in it
The episodes about the Klingons and how they lost there forehead do I thought were very good.

I thought the augment virus episode was really well done.

AMKC

breezy1985 wrote: »

I hated any Enterprise episode that played with other Trek series. The Ferengi episode and the one about the Klingon foreheads were disasters

The Feringi episode really was terrible but at least there is a few laughs in it
The episodes about the Klingons and how they lost there forehead do I thought were very good.

breezy1985

Stark wrote: »

I was thinking as I wrote it, you could go off on a very long tangent when it come to time travel in Trek. Kirk time travelled quite a lot considering Starfleet wasn't officially capable of time travel till the 26th century. Memory alpha actually includes Kirk's Enterprise in its list of "timeships". But then I consider quite a lot of TOS canon to be ret-conned from TNG onwards.

They really were not thinking too deep about the plots in that sense back in TOS. There is an awful lot of gangster planets and cowboy planets in there

Stark

breezy1985 wrote: »

They flew round the sun clockwise very fast I assume

I was thinking as I wrote it, you could go off on a very long tangent when it come to time travel in Trek. Kirk time travelled quite a lot considering Starfleet wasn't officially capable of time travel till the 26th century. Memory alpha actually includes Kirk's Enterprise in its list of "timeships". But then I consider quite a lot of TOS canon to be ret-conned from TNG onwards.

breezy1985

Stark wrote: »

First contact might have been the best of the TNG movies but a lot breaks down when you try to think about it too much. Even getting back to the future in the first place was at the end of the movie was a case of "LaForge, magic us back to the 24th century. Yes, sir".

They flew round the sun clockwise very fast I assume

breezy1985

AMKC wrote: »

Star Trek Enterprise Season2 Episode23 Regeneration.
To you really think Picard and co would leave all the Borg technolagy lying around. I for one do not. I think they would have scanned for any Borg debree then beamed it up.
So really that episode should not and probably would not happen.
What do ye think?

I hated any Enterprise episode that played with other Trek series. The Ferengi episode and the one about the Klingon foreheads were disasters

Stark

First contact might have been the best of the TNG movies but a lot breaks down when you try to think about it too much. Even getting back to the future in the first place was at the end of the movie was a case of "LaForge, magic us back to the 24th century. Yes, sir".

Evade

AMKC wrote: »

Star Trek Enterprise Season2 Episode23 Regeneration.
To you really think Picard and co would leave all the Borg technolagy lying around. I for one do not. I think they would have scanned for any Borg debree then beamed it up.
So really that episode should not and probably would not happen.
What do ye think?

With the state the Enterprise was in they might not have been able to do any kind of comprehensive scan and they had to make themselves scarce before the Vulcans showed up.

TheValeyard

AMKC wrote: »

Star Trek Enterprise Season2 Episode23 Regeneration.
To you really think Picard and co would leave all the Borg technolagy lying around. I for one do not. I think they would have scanned for any Borg debree then beamed it up.
So really that episode should not and probably would not happen.
What do ye think?

Might not have known. Sensors were down when they were dealing with the Sphere. Ship was partly assimilated by the time they regained control. Might not have been able to detect Borg debris scattered around.

AMKC

Star Trek Enterprise Season2 Episode23 Regeneration.
To you really think Picard and co would leave all the Borg technolagy lying around. I for one do not. I think they would have scanned for any Borg debree then beamed it up.
So really that episode should not and probably would not happen.
What do ye think?

pixelburp

Eh. If there's one thing I have got a little tired of it, is online outlets supplementing articles with bags of sass and sarcasm. I wouldn't be a "just the facts" kinda guy, but feels like the editorial direction for blogs these days is to ramp up the bitchiness to sometimes unreadable levels.

I mean, yeah, I'm first to say Disco's writing is shít but I'm just a random knuckle dragger, I want more from supposed professionals.

Sorry, segue over.

ixoy

Reading on article on space.com about how Discovery's fourth season is filming along with Strange New Worlds. Seems they'll be using some of 'The Mandalorian's' filming techniques for alien landscapes. I did enjoy this bit of snark:

Speaking of bad story writing, the fourth season of "Discovery" has also started principal photography in Toronto and after more than half-a-year's delay, the cast of "Picard" has returned to production for the second season.

pixelburp

Yes, one of the few flaws of the show is the prominence of sign language isn't as high in the adaptation than the books. which is a shame because a huge part of the nuance of Belter culture and communication.

GreeBo

Evade wrote: »

There might be a more practical origin for the Belter language, radiospeak. Not broadcast radio, radio communication. With a formalised procedure there's a certain, sometimes off, way you're supposed to pronounce things and some really odd phrasing because if a transmission isn't clear the cadence and pronunciation of the clear fragments can still convey the meaning. It's the logic behind the NATO alphabet where each word that substitutes a letter has a distinct pronunciation from the rest. It's probably why Belter has sign language integrated into it but that rarely comes up after the first season.

Yeah they certainly cover that the hand gestures are because its too hard to see facial expressions when everyone is masked up so frequently.

Evade

There might be a more practical origin for the Belter language, radiospeak. Not broadcast radio, radio communication. With a formalised procedure there's a certain, sometimes off, way you're supposed to pronounce things and some really odd phrasing because if a transmission isn't clear the cadence and pronunciation of the clear fragments can still convey the meaning. It's the logic behind the NATO alphabet where each word that substitutes a letter has a distinct pronunciation from the rest. It's probably why Belter has sign language integrated into it but that rarely comes up after the first season.

silverharp

pixelburp wrote: »

The belter accents and language are simply ripped from the books, a new patois that formed from the natural patchwork quilt that formed the various stations and asteroids. Was a nice acknowledgement that language changes through circumstance; cos of course it has and always will ("panglish" is a good example of that happening right now in, I think, China) If you read the books, belter comes across more blatantly, seeing bits of French, German, Cantonese etc etc. mixed into things.

thats fine but as far as the show goes its kinds dumb, there is no way people will talk like they originated in the Caribbean. Whether English or Chinese is the working language in Space in the future is an ecumenical matter :pac: . that kind of accent sorta is plausible in something like The 100 where society/education has broken down.

breezy1985

silverharp wrote: »

accents dont bother me in Sifi, a US show will be US accents, a British show they will oddly do British accents shocker. If anything the Expanse approach is a bit too try hard

The Expanse is trying to show that a UN or Starfleet organization is more than just future NASA which makes sense. Plus the idea.of US TV or movies isn't really a thing anymore as a lot of shows are funded by multiple groups from around the world and shot in different countries

pixelburp

The belter accents and language are simply ripped from the books, a new patois that formed from the natural patchwork quilt that formed the various stations and asteroids. Was a nice acknowledgement that language changes through circumstance; cos of course it has and always will ("panglish" is a good example of that happening right now in, I think, China) If you read the books, belter comes across more blatantly, seeing bits of French, German, Cantonese etc etc. mixed into things.

silverharp

GreeBo wrote: »

I do find the Belter accents hard work, often takes me out of it as I trying to work out what they said but the scene has moved on!

i watched a lot of pirate shows before :pac:

GreeBo

silverharp wrote: »

accents dont bother me in Sifi, a US show will be US accents, a British show they will oddly do British accents shocker. If anything the Expanse approach is a bit too try hard

I do find the Belter accents hard work, often takes me out of it as I trying to work out what they said but the scene has moved on!

silverharp

accents dont bother me in Sifi, a US show will be US accents, a British show they will oddly do British accents shocker. If anything the Expanse approach is a bit too try hard

Markitron

The only examples I have seen of non-Irish people doing convincing Irish accents are Meryl Streep, Cate Blanchett and Brad Pitt (In Snatch not that awful IRA movie).