lurleen lumpkin wrote: » The fact that someone like me born in Derry would be referred to as Irish from birth and then identify as Irish pretty much as soon as they could write does seem to be a pain the arse for you. It's something very straightforward that a lot of us here have been trying to tell you. Maybe go away and try to understand that simple fact and when you come back you might have a bit more success trying to debate with people here.
bobbysands81 wrote: » It’s precisely that attitude towards “Irishness” that will actually speed up a United Ireland.
downcow wrote: » No. You are allowed to be Irish. The Roi government always allowed you, and things got even better for you after gfa because then it became a right you can claim rather than an offer you accept. But a test case in court was very clear - if you are born in ni you are born british. You can then enact you right to claim your Irish nationality at any point you wish. You will remain british unless you officially rescind it. What’s not to like about that lol. The facts are sometimes a pain in the arse. Aren’t they.
downcow wrote: » There was a programme on the other night about a 50 year old man who swears he is a baby. Wears nappies and sucks a bottle. It doesn’t make him a baby though.
downcow wrote: » I don’t know what that guy would be. But if the courts said he was french at birth but had the right to claim German nationality, then I would tell him just that. I wouldn’t mislead him by telling him he was not french and that he did not need to do anything and he would just be German by default. That would be a ridiculous thing to say. Oh wait!
Duckworth_Luas wrote: » I really like riddles. So he swears he's a baby, wears diapers like a baby, sucks a bottle like a baby, but he's not a baby. Is it the DUP chief whip at Westminster?
Fr D Maugire wrote: » How ironic is it that Henry Cooke, who did most to take the Ulster Presbyterians down the road of hating Catholics is described as an Irish Presbyterian. Fact of the matter is that most Protestants saw themselves as being Irish up until the mid 19th century. All that changed was Catholics finally got some actual equality and suddenly these same Protestants were now identifying as British. I mean they couldn't be Irish if Catholics were Irish. The level of intolerance and about turns done by Unionists is just hilarious.
Fionn1952 wrote: » And no matter how many times you stick your fingers in your ears, unless you've got a very large tug boat, NI still isn't part of Britain. I respect your British identity and culture Downcow, as I already mentioned the last time this discussion came up, I staunchly defended your right to say you are not Irish, despite being born on the island of Ireland. Just out of curiosity, would you tell a German citizen, living in Germany, born to two German parents who happened to be born in France that they are not in fact German?!
lurleen lumpkin wrote: » Are you telling us we're not allowed to be Irish?
Fionn1952 wrote: » I've been Irish since birth, Downcow.....then again, the British do like claiming things they shouldn't as their own.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Yes. There'd be fewer of us dead, for a start, and we might have been able to close the ports and airports more successfully. UK is not a nation by the way. NI isn't a nation either. Ireland is a nation however and it disregards the British border you cherish but will not be restoring to its former 'Finchleyness'.
downcow wrote: » Fionn. You say you want facts and yet you say you were born Irish in Co Fermanagh. Impossible. You could accept the offer of an Irish passport up until gfa, and since that you could CHOOSE TO BECOME Irish as of right, but you were born british. The courts have made that crystal clear. But then sure on here it’s seems you can just make up stuff to suit.
Fionn1952 wrote: » Your country did sign up to the GFA, which states British OR Irish OR both. As much as your country has trouble keeping up its international agreements, I'm Irish by birth, being born in Co. Fermanagh, on the island of Ireland, not the island of Britain as you are well aware. Do you tend towards anglicising the names of anyone who isn't English? If so, why were you referring to Jurgen Klopp in a previous one of your posts rather than being consistent and anglicising that to George? You know full well that it was a low grade baiting attempt. And still, you've contributed nothing of any value regarding the actual topic of whether Ireland was united before the Norman invasion. One could grow to suspect that you don't actually have any knowledge of the topic.
RobMc59 wrote: » I disagree with you that Ireland was united before it was part of the UK.Beyond that I freely admit to looking up the king.Using the name Roderic wasn't meant as in insult or to cause any upset.if you monitor my posts you will know I always refer to the Irish leader by his correct name Taoiseach for example.
downcow wrote: » Would you still argue the same.
Fionn1952 wrote: » Yes, and you only know that Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair could be anglicised to Roderic from quickly looking him up on Wikipedia to try and feign knowledge of the topic. So I take your p*ss poor baiting as an acknowledgement that you know absolutely nothing about the topic, and you'd prefer to just derail rather than openly admit that? Fair enough, but it isn't subtle. Nobody forced you to engage on the topic, so you could just not share an opinion if you don't know what you're talking about.
RobMc59 wrote: » I genuinely wasn't aware Jurgen was George in English and imagine a joke about George Klopp would baffle the majority of people. I noticed you are from Fermanagh and not Fear Manach...
lurleen lumpkin wrote: » Poor effort. You can do better than this, I know you can.
RobMc59 wrote: » My mistake,I was under the impression you were originally from NI which would have made you British by birth. As an English person who speaks English as first language using the anglicised Roderic isn't unreasonable or ignorant imo.I understand English is the default language here on boards unless in specific Irish language threads.
RobMc59 wrote: » My mistake,I was under the impression you were originally from NI which would have made you British by birth.
Fionn1952 wrote: » I'm am Irish person, Rob. Born on the island of Ireland and holding an Irish passport. While I've visited many times, and found many of the people wonderful, I've never lived in Britain. I was happy to defend Downcow when posters were trying this nonsense from the other side. I believe you were arguing in his defense at the time, and it really reduces your credibility to try pulling it now. If you wish to persist with that, I will just report your posts in future. While it is interesting that a rudimentary Google search didn't provide you with the information I just supplied, I'd imagine that is due to user issues rather than the lack of actual information available. Perhaps you could address the actual points I raised regarding culture, law and specifically how the country could be described as unified under the rule of Brian Boru, as one example. Roderic O'Conor was a painter who died in 1940, so probably isn't terribly relevant to the discussion. If you're attempting to discuss Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair, I'd suggest learning his name, as once more it doesn't suggest a great degree of credibility when you don't even know the name of the people you're claiming to have knowledge of. He signed a treaty with Henry II, after the Norman invasion. Given that we are discussing whether Ireland was united before this point, it isn't very relevant either. He was however the unopposed High King of Ireland from 1166 until the Norman invasion, so how exactly do you still contend the country was not united at the time. You have just as much of a right to share your opinions, Rob.....you don't have a right to your own facts and it is very clear you're entering this particular topic greatly lacking any actual knowledge of it apart from your very brief (and cherry picked) Google search, together with a handful of insults directed at me.
RobMc59 wrote: » I think you are correct Hampster,that Ireland has never been united pre being part of the UK but meaningful discussion with disgruntled,delusional republicans is impossible as they've airbrushed history to suit their version of events.
RobMc59 wrote: » If you search `was Ireland unified prior to being part of the UK` there is little evidence to support that claim. Regardless of what my original intentions were when I originally joined boards were ,I`ve as much right as you to express an opinion as to whether a vague band of feudal warlords a thousand years ago constituted a `united Ireland`or not.Why you as a British person who decided to identify as Irish feel you are somehow exclusively qualified to speculate on these matters is a mystery to many. Regarding Roderic O`Conner,as I understand it he was a vassal of Henry the second and was expelled from his kingdom by his own people.
downcow wrote: » I was bombarded for the most of last year that ni should have went with our southern neighbours and broke with the rest of our nation on our response to covid. Would you still argue the same. I am so glad we didn’t.
