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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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ShineyShiney

ClanofLams wrote: »

Hard to understand his decision to return to Leinster from a rugby perspective at least, seemed obvious he would never be first choice. Just before that was announced he was really progressing at Connacht, was top try scorer for season to date at that point, still had some defensive and fielding issues but lethal finisher and thought he was improving weak points.

Then move was announced, he might have got a knock or two but Connacht more or less stopped picking him, played couple more iirc and then played a handful of games for Leinster in years since.

I know there’s something to be said for backing yourself etc and may be personal reasons too but really strange move from rugby standpoint.

Was a decent player for us when fit, scored the scores he should have but not a lot more and has continued that trend when picked for Leinster. But to be honest we really didn't miss him when he left and we should have.

Best of luck, wouldn't be surprised if he got backed as a starter and did well.

ClanofLams

Lebute wrote: »

Rumor's circulating that Cian kelleher is heading for Ealing trailfinders

Hard to understand his decision to return to Leinster from a rugby perspective at least, seemed obvious he would never be first choice. Just before that was announced he was really progressing at Connacht, was top try scorer for season to date at that point, still had some defensive and fielding issues but lethal finisher and thought he was improving weak points.

Then move was announced, he might have got a knock or two but Connacht more or less stopped picking him, played couple more iirc and then played a handful of games for Leinster in years since.

I know there’s something to be said for backing yourself etc and may be personal reasons too but really strange move from rugby standpoint.

Lebute

Rumor's circulating that Cian kelleher is heading for Ealing trailfinders

KBurke85

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-40245011.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Interview with Rory Parata currently playing with the Cornish Pirates

KBurke85

marley45 wrote: »

I see CJ Stander is retiring. Best of luck to him.

Now we should offer Paul Boyle a 5 year contract asap !

He's just signed a renewal for the next 2 years so all good

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I see CJ Stander is retiring. Best of luck to him.

Now we should offer Paul Boyle a 5 year contract asap !

thomond2006

Wegians89 wrote: »

Pretty sure godwin was born in Zimbabwe, so could have been eligible through that

Correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpak_ruling

Wegians89

ClanofLams wrote: »

That’s really odd. I also didn’t realise there was a limit, presume from above there is a cap of 2 NIQs per team? Seems very stringent especially as IRFU obviously sanctions signings in first place.

Is this new? Fairly sure Fainga’a Butler and Godwin started together a fair few times.

Pretty sure godwin was born in Zimbabwe, so could have been eligible through that

Lucas44

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Yeah he played basketball, soccer and gaelic before that. was looked at by Tadhg Kenneally for AFL combine etc as well.
After just small number of games with Buccs, in school was into Connacht set up at 16s/17s

My son played with him. Don’t think he’s ever touched a basketball in his life. Played rugby from about 12/13 on but only moved from centre- second row at Connacht u17.. the same summer he started for Connacht u18s in the row and was in Irish camps

salmocab

ClanofLams wrote: »

That’s really odd. I also didn’t realise there was a limit, presume from above there is a cap of 2 NIQs per team? Seems very stringent especially as IRFU obviously sanctions signings in first place.

Is this new? Fairly sure Fainga’a Butler and Godwin started together a fair few times.

It’s a league rule but there are quite a few exceptions based on nationality.

salmocab

macslash wrote: »

Pretty sure that first team wouldn't be able to start together anyway with BOD, Porch and Butler. According to Friend even though JB has been here over 3 years he doesn't count as IQ unless he is capped.

JGP could start with Lowe and Fardy once he was eligible for Ireland a full year before he was capped.

ClanofLams

macslash wrote: »

Pretty sure that first team wouldn't be able to start together anyway with BOD, Porch and Butler. According to Friend even though JB has been here over 3 years he doesn't count as IQ unless he is capped.

That’s really odd. I also didn’t realise there was a limit, presume from above there is a cap of 2 NIQs per team? Seems very stringent especially as IRFU obviously sanctions signings in first place.

Is this new? Fairly sure Fainga’a Butler and Godwin started together a fair few times.

macslash

connachta wrote: »

Based on announcement
4 options by position (with some covering 2 spots)

Position |1st | 2nd |3rd |4th
LH Prop |Buckley |Duggan| M.Burke| McCoy/Ward
Hooker |Heffernan |Delahunt| Tierney-Martin OR Murphy OR New guy | Adamson/E.deBuitlear
TH Prop |Bealham | Aungier | McCoy | Kenny
n°4 2nd Row |Dillane |Roux (TBC) |Dowling | Masterson
n°5 2nd Row |Thornbury| Murray| Prendergast | Murray 2.0
Blindside Flanker |SOB |E.Masterson |Prendergast | Boyle
Openside Flanker |Butler |Oliver |S.Masterson | McCormark/Booth
n°8 | Boyle | Butler |One of Mastersons| D.Byrne
SH | Marmion | Blade |Reilly | Academy newcomer/Kerrins if back
OH |Carty |NEW |Fitzgerald | Daly/C.Forde
11| Wootton |Healy| McNulty| Kilgallen
Inside Centre |Aki |Daly |Robb| Jennings
Outside Centre |Farrell |Arnold | SOB 2.0/New (TBC) | Aki
14 | O'Donnell |Sullivan|NEW| Porch
15 | Porch |TOH|McNulty| Wootton

Stretched to minimum, especially for back-row (where we could hope D.Byrne/McCormavk/Booth to cover a few games as 20)

41 Senior, 22 forwads, 19 backs

Pretty sure that first team wouldn't be able to start together anyway with BOD, Porch and Butler. According to Friend even though JB has been here over 3 years he doesn't count as IQ unless he is capped.

connachta

siltirocker wrote: »

Some leap having Ben O'Donnell as a first choice winger after 2 hours of rugby.

he was signed for being 1st choice and he can

https://twitter.com/i/status/1371508280179179526

ClanofLams

Lost Ormond wrote: »

Yeah he played basketball, soccer and gaelic before that. was looked at by Tadhg Kenneally for AFL combine etc as well.
After just small number of games with Buccs, in school was into Connacht set up at 16s/17s

Some rise in six years. Obviously outstanding athlete and looks to have a lot of the fundamentals nailed down too. Position Ireland are well stocked in obviously but already would be pretty surprised if he’s not capped at a minimum at some stage, injury etc allowing of course.

Zzippy

molloyjh wrote: »

I've only seen the gif, but I didn't see a leading elbow there. You cant really see the right arm, but the left makes some attempt to wrap. Maybe there's an angle I didn't see that shows something else but certainly on that gif I'd stand by what I said...

It's obvious even from that gif that he's leading with the right shoulder, so having the left arm up is irrelevant. Hitting someone with a tucked shoulder is not mitigated by the other arm pretending to wrap. Unless you're Owen Farrell of course. But, seriously, if you think that's a tackle under the laws of the game, whatever... :rolleyes:

Lost Ormond

ClanofLams wrote: »

Thought Niall Murray was very impressive on Saturday. Think he only took up rugby around 16, could turn into some player.

Yeah he played basketball, soccer and gaelic before that. was looked at by Tadhg Kenneally for AFL combine etc as well.
After just small number of games with Buccs, in school was into Connacht set up at 16s/17s

serfboard

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Daly kicking it with a little more than a minute to play, madness

To me, this was the pivotal moment in the game. When he did that, I thought, what the hell are you doing? Hold onto that ball, and we'd have won it.

But, watching Ireland yesterday, they also kicked the ball away in the last few minutes. I suppose the theory is that you make the oppostion play in their half, giving them less chance to score, and more chance for you to force a penalty.

However, maybe it's not something you do when you're a man down?

ClanofLams

Thought Niall Murray was very impressive on Saturday. Think he only took up rugby around 16, could turn into some player.

Wegians89

Wootton signed a two year deal

siltirocker

connachta wrote: »

Based on announcement
4 options by position (with some covering 2 spots)

Position |1st | 2nd |3rd |4th
LH Prop |Buckley |Duggan| M.Burke| McCoy/Ward
Hooker |Heffernan |Delahunt| Tierney-Martin OR Murphy OR New guy | Adamson/E.deBuitlear
TH Prop |Bealham | Aungier | McCoy | Kenny
n°4 2nd Row |Dillane |Roux (TBC) |Dowling | Masterson
n°5 2nd Row |Thornbury| Murray| Prendergast | Murray 2.0
Blindside Flanker |SOB |E.Masterson |Prendergast | Boyle
Openside Flanker |Butler |Oliver |S.Masterson | McCormark/Booth
n°8 | Boyle | Butler |One of Mastersons| D.Byrne
SH | Marmion | Blade |Reilly | Academy newcomer/Kerrins if back
OH |Carty |NEW |Fitzgerald | Daly/C.Forde
11| Wootton |Healy| McNulty| Kilgallen
Inside Centre |Aki |Daly |Robb| Jennings
Outside Centre |Farrell |Arnold | SOB 2.0/New (TBC) | Aki
14 | O'Donnell |Sullivan|NEW| Porch
15 | Porch |TOH|McNulty| Wootton

Stretched to minimum, especially for back-row (where we could hope D.Byrne/McCormavk/Booth to cover a few games as 20)

41 Senior, 22 forwads, 19 backs

Some leap having Ben O'Donnell as a first choice winger after 2 hours of rugby.

molloyjh

Zzippy wrote: »

"Tackle"?? His arm is tucked, he leads with the elbow and there's no attempt to wrap.

It's not a tackle, however high or low he makes contact.

I've only seen the gif, but I didn't see a leading elbow there. You cant really see the right arm, but the left makes some attempt to wrap. Maybe there's an angle I didn't see that shows something else but certainly on that gif I'd stand by what I said...

freyners

connachta wrote: »

Based on announcement
4 options by position (with some covering 2 spots)

Position |1st | 2nd |3rd |4th
LH Prop |Buckley |Duggan| M.Burke| McCoy/Ward
Hooker |Heffernan |Delahunt| Tierney-Martin OR Murphy OR New guy | Adamson/E.deBuitlear
TH Prop |Bealham | Aungier | McCoy | Kenny
n°4 2nd Row |Dillane |Roux (TBC) |Dowling | Masterson
n°5 2nd Row |Thornbury| Murray| Prendergast | Murray 2.0
Blindside Flanker |SOB |E.Masterson |Prendergast | Boyle
Openside Flanker |Butler |Oliver |S.Masterson | McCormark/Booth
n°8 | Boyle | Butler |One of Mastersons| D.Byrne
SH | Marmion | Blade |Reilly | Academy newcomer/Kerrins if back
OH |Carty |NEW |Fitzgerald | Daly/C.Forde
11| Wootton |Healy| McNulty| Kilgallen
Inside Centre |Aki |Daly |Robb| Jennings
Outside Centre |Farrell |Arnold | SOB 2.0/New (TBC) | Aki
14 | O'Donnell |Sullivan|NEW| Porch
15 | Porch |TOH|McNulty| Wootton

Stretched to minimum, especially for back-row (where we could hope D.Byrne/McCormavk/Booth to cover a few games as 20)

41 Senior, 22 forwads, 19 backs

Given Friends comments when the usualy suspects talked about H byrne moving to Connacht for gametime I doubt there's a signing coming at OH that will be a clear second choice ahead of Fitz, at least initially.

connachta

connachta

On the signing list one surprised me, it's Matt Burke.
Did'nt play at all, is he injured, is McAlister on too high money ?

Bazzo

Zzippy wrote: »

"Tackle"?? His arm is tucked, he leads with the elbow and there's no attempt to wrap.

It's not a tackle, however high or low he makes contact.

Yeah, it's a clear card anyway, based on last few weeks wouldn't be surprised if there's no citing for it though.

Very disappointing to lose like that, and a win would have been great for the mental fortitude, but it was always a big ask after the red.

Utopia Parkway

Connacht robbed a game at the death from Benetton a few weeks ago but they've probably thrown away at least 3 wins in the last few minutes of other games this season.

Zzippy

molloyjh wrote: »

Yellow given he dropped fairly suddenly. Tackle would have been fine otherwise.

"Tackle"?? His arm is tucked, he leads with the elbow and there's no attempt to wrap.

It's not a tackle, however high or low he makes contact.

molloyjh

Zzippy wrote: »

It's red card, *possibly* mitigated by Murray dipping as he's tackled, but only to yellow at best. Unbelievable the TMO didn't even check it.

Yellow given he dropped fairly suddenly. Tackle would have been fine otherwise.

Zzippy

testtech05 wrote: »

In real time I thought that warranted a 2nd look but it's actually much worse than I thought. Looks like he has his arm tucked in to his body and everything.

It's red card, *possibly* mitigated by Murray dipping as he's tackled, but only to yellow at best. Unbelievable the TMO didn't even check it.