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British Strategic interest in Northern Ireland

Ffff221

I seen on sky news last night how the current UK PM has been breaking a long standing policy of claiming there is no strategic interest in Northern Ireland but this PM has made it clear that that couldn't be further from the truth.

It got me wondering what exactly is the strategic interest in Northern Ireland?

I always believed until the last year or two that the UK had no interest in Northern Ireland and would get rid of it the first chance they got but I was mainly thinking economically and not about the wider picture that there are probably tons of strategic and beneficial reasons to keeping Northern Ireland.

It's mainly propaganda from the troubles to prevent terrorism why a lot of us believe there is no strategic interest in Northern Ireland.

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Ffff221

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

The Nuclear weapons are held in Scotland, though not too far from Northern Ireland. I am sure the Submarines pass the waters of Northern Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNB_Clyde

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1222206/northern-ireland-latest-news-margaret-thatcher-uk-politics-the-troubles-nuclear-weapons/amp

The papers, recently released by the National Archives, reveal how a senior figure considered the installation of nuclear weapons inside a Northern Ireland mountain in the 1980s. They show that Colonel L Buckley, then director of intelligence, was asked to brief Peter barry, then foreign minister, in November 1983 on the possibility of nuclear weapons being kept on the island of Ireland.

He said: “Suffice to say any such information would be given the highest security classification and only be available to UK or or other military personnel on the strictest ‘need-to-know’ basis at the highest level.”

If there are nuclear weapons in Ireland I doubt the general public would know about it anyway.

saabsaab

Any nuclear power is unlikely to keep all their atomic eggs in the one basket.

timthumbni

Ffff221 wrote: »

were working "overtly and covertly to blacken the IRA" .

To be frank it hardly took a mastermind to blacken the IRA.

The IRA murdering wee boys outside a McDonald’s in Warrington sort of does this itself. And this was just one of a thousand things I could mention when it comes to the IRA murder porn organisation.

Jimbob1977

Rock on Rockall

You'll never fall

saabsaab

It is very possible that the UK itself will break up. Scottish independence is very likely if NI leave then that's a whole lot of space outside English control with implications for defense and resources.

Capt'n Midnight

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

The Nuclear weapons are held in Scotland, though not too far from Northern Ireland. I am sure the Submarines pass the waters of Northern Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNB_Clyde

So what. The Law Of The Sea grants rights of transit passage.

Before there was a Royal Navy base US subs there were serviced from a depot ship. And there's a precedent of the Treaty Ports.

Capt'n Midnight

saabsaab wrote: »

Any nuclear power is unlikely to keep all their atomic eggs in the one basket.

The UK deterrent is based on being able to take out 75% of Moscow. Between refits , major overhauls, transits and resupplies and changing crews you need a minimum of four missile subs to guarantee one will be on patrol. Five would guarantee two subs on patrol.

The UK has 4 missile subs. France also has 4 missile subs. Two countries whose atomic eggs are one basket at certain points of the schedules.

HMS Vanguard and Le Triomphant collided in the Atlantic Ocean in the night on 3 February 2009.

Technically speaking it's not unlikely because it's already happened to two countries.

Edgware

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Rock on Rockall

You'll never fall

Wolfe Tones drivel

Five Eighth

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

It's up to the people here in Northern Ireland. Nobody else, including the United States Congress and the EU will determine our destiny.

Yes and with the changing NI demographics it will be up to Unionists like yourself to persuade your fellow citizens who define as Irish to vote to stay within the UK. Big change in attitude required from the Unionists/Loyalists to make NI a welcoming place for the growing Irish population. The days of shouting 'never, never, never, are over. Northern Ireland is not as British as Finchley. I acknowledge that polls currently indicate that a proportion of Catholics would vote to remain in the UK.

timthumbni

Five Eighth wrote: »

Yes and with the changing NI demographics it will be up to Unionists like yourself to persuade your fellow citizens who define as Irish to vote to stay within the UK. Big change in attitude required from the Unionists/Loyalists to make NI a welcoming place for the growing Irish population. The days of shouting 'never, never, never, are over. Northern Ireland is not as British as Finchley. I acknowledge that polls currently indicate that a proportion of Catholics would vote to remain in the UK.

NI or at least a lot of its parts are far more “British” than Finchley ever was or ever will be imo.

Five Eighth

timthumbni wrote: »

NI or at least a lot of its parts are far more “British” than Finchley ever was or ever will be imo.

Examples please.

Ffff221

timthumbni wrote: »

To be frank it hardly took a mastermind to blacken the IRA.

The IRA murdering wee boys outside a McDonald’s in Warrington sort of does this itself. And this was just one of a thousand things I could mention when it comes to the IRA murder porn organisation.

Your point makes no sense at all the IRA had strong support, polls from the late 70s show 20-25% of people in the republic
fully supporting the IRA andd judging by Sinn Feins first election in 1983 they had support from roughly half of the Catholic population in the North even with so much propaganda directed against them.

[Deleted User]

Ffff221 wrote: »

The average British person barely knows Ireland exists it's irrelevant what the average British person thinks

Back in the late 80s I was the only Irish person some of the brits I knew while living there had ever met.
They were clueless about us.

[Deleted User]

Not a saint nor sinner in Britain cares about Northern Ireland.

From Buckingham Palace to the Outer Hebrides.

timthumbni

Ffff221 wrote: »

Your point makes no sense at all the IRA had strong support, polls from the late 70s show 20-25% of people in the republic
fully supporting the IRA andd judging by Sinn Feins first election in 1983 they had support from roughly half of the Catholic population in the North even with so much propaganda directed against them.

Yes, I’m well aware that a large percentage of Northern Irish nationalists had nae issue with their so called IRA saviours for example blowing up weans outside a McDonalds in England. That will teach them aye??

timthumbni

Five Eighth wrote: »

Examples please.

Not afraid to fly the Union flag for fear of being demonised for example by some labour sneering ponce.

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

Yes, I’m well aware that a large percentage of Northern Irish nationalists had nae issue with their so called IRA saviours for example blowing up weans outside a McDonalds in England. That will teach them aye??

The British Army killed 18 children that we know f and plenty of innocents.

Take the 'there was only one side' arguments somewhere else where they might not be laughed at.

Five Eighth

timthumbni wrote: »

Not afraid to fly the Union flag for fear of being demonised for example by some labour sneering ponce.

Tenuous. Flying a flag shows your more British than London? Not sure if Finchley is subject to any International Treaty. Anyway, main point is Unionist/Loyalist attitudes will need to change to persuade the growing Irish population to keep supporting the union.

timthumbni

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The British Army killed 18 children that we know f and plenty of innocents.

Take the 'there was only one side' arguments somewhere else where they might not be laughed at.

Francis. Did the irish Republican army blowing up 2 weans with one of their many murderous bombs outside a McDonald’s in some wee northern English town help your cause one iota? I’m sure those lads are toasted at every provo club in Northen Ireland. Disgusting but hardly surprising.

timthumbni

Five Eighth wrote: »

Tenuous. Flying a flag shows your more British than London? Not sure if Finchley is subject to any International Treaty. Anyway, main point is Unionist/Loyalist attitudes will need to change to persuade the growing Irish population to keep supporting the union.

Tenuous.? Are you referring to the sneering labour ponce there or me?

Ffff221

timthumbni wrote: »

Yes, I’m well aware that a large percentage of Northern Irish nationalists had nae issue with their so called IRA saviours for example blowing up weans outside a McDonalds in England. That will teach them aye??

And you can say the exact same thing about the British like Martin Corr (12) who was found dead in bed after being badly beaten during a house raid by the British Army.

That thought us a good lesson aye?

FrancieBrady

timthumbni wrote: »

Francis. Did the irish Republican army blowing up 2 weans with one of their many murderous bombs outside a McDonald’s in some wee northern English town help your cause one iota? I’m sure those are lads are toasted at every provo club in Northen Ireland. Disgusting but hardly surprising.

Nobody gets praise when they use terror including all other players in the conflict/war.

Five Eighth

timthumbni wrote: »

Tenuous.? Are you referring to the sneering labour ponce there or me?

Not sure what you mean. Never heard anyone describe a person as 'Tenuous'?

timthumbni

Ffff221 wrote: »

And you can say the exact same thing about the British like Martin Corr (12) who was found dead in bed after being badly beaten during a house raid by the British Army.

That thought us a good lesson aye?

The recent south Armagh (Ira heartland etc etc) Gaelic scandal suggests that rather than bitter republicans spending all their efforts hating the Brits, somewhat more effort should have been spent minding their own children. Aye??

All in my own opinion obviously.

Zebra3

timthumbni wrote: »

Francis. Did the irish Republican army blowing up 2 weans with one of their many murderous bombs outside a McDonald’s in some wee northern English town help your cause one iota? I’m sure those lads are toasted at every provo club in Northen Ireland. Disgusting but hardly surprising.

Wait until you hear abut the crimes of the British Army across the globe.

Though I doubt you give a toss about their dark skinned victims.

Deseras

Now that uk has left europe the north is more important now as it's a gateway to europe
Also if the north left the uk then so would scotland taking all it's oil

Ffff221

timthumbni wrote: »

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The recent south Armagh (Ira heartland etc etc) Gaelic scandal suggests that rather than bitter republicans spending all their efforts hating the Brits, somewhat more effort should have been spent minding their own children. Aye??

All in my own opinion obviously.

South Armagh was not just an IRA/Republican heartland during the troubles but it has been for centuries.

lawred2

Ffff221 wrote: »

The point is the benefits of Northern Ireland outweigh the negatives to the British as the PM has made quiet clear recently.

Playing to the gallery

timthumbni

Ffff221 wrote: »

South Armagh was not just an IRA/Republican heartland during the troubles but it has been for centuries.

South Armagh - IRA for centuries?? Really?

Anyway my question was have they been taking care of their children? Rather than hating the Brits and Protestants?

Ffff221

timthumbni wrote: »

South Armagh - IRA for centuries?? Really?

Anyway my question was have they been taking care of their children? Rather than hating the Brits and Protestants?

Did you not see the IRA and then /republican?

Why wouldn't they be taking care of their children what are you talking about? Why do you have such hatred for your own people?