trashcan wrote: » Tell me, do you think there is a significant number of people in the ROI who want to “re-unite” with the UK ? If there were, maybe you could compare the two.
UDAWINNER wrote: » Great Leadership by Boris today to only meet the Unionist Leader, says it all to all the nationalist community what he thinks of them.
downcow wrote: » I am pointing out that it is a silly argument that suddenly those who don’t want to unite will change their mind over tea and traybakes
downcow wrote: » Check your facts before you put your foot in it. He told bbc reporter when asked about it that he had asked to meet Michelle but she was busy. Michelle and her line manager have both came out to say that they refused to meet him. So who was at fault? Your old victimhood is in overdrive tonight
Fionn1952 wrote: » To be fair, he would say that wouldn't he? I've seen very mixed reports on it. Wouldn't trust Michelle O'Neill as far as I could throw her, but I'll be damned if I believe a word out of Boris' mouth considering how, 'honest' his track record is with regards to the North.
trashcan wrote: » And I’m pointing out that you’re not comparing like with like. I don’t doubt by the way that Unionists won’t be convinced by the Irish Govt talking nicely to them, but there are more than Unionists involved. A fact which you consistently seem to want to ignore.
downcow wrote: » Now you are just making stuff up. Boris, Michelle, mary Lou and Arlene have all gone public to say sf were invited to meet boris - and you are saying there are mixed reports as to whether they were invited or not. I am not sure how you ever start believing anything other that just what you want to believe
Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald has accused the British Prime Minister of trying to evade his responsibilities. She and Stormont's Deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill had sought a meeting with Boris Johnson during his visit to Northern Ireland today. Ms McDonald said that the Prime Minister's decision to meet with the DUP and not Sinn Féin sent "a very clear signal as to what the priorities of Boris Johnson are
Sinn Féin has refused to meet Prime Minister Boris Johnson on his visit to Northern Ireland. The party described his trip on Friday as a publicity stunt. Mr Johnson said he was "always happy to meet all sides" but had been told Deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill of Sinn Féin was "otherwise engaged".
downcow wrote: » Tell me. If british parties showed some leadership in the issue, make themselves known to nationalists and show them that religion is not a factor in daily life in the UK. Would you consider Roi reuniting with the UK?
Sunny Disposition wrote: » Nah, of course not, but it’s not comparable. If half of Ireland identified as British and we were on the island of Britain maybe it’d be comparable. Btw we all know many unionists are going to be disappointed if a border poll goes against them. But it is important to show them there won’t be any anti unionist stuff in a post border poll Ireland. There are many voices in the unionist community who would have you believe southerners are anti Protestant.
But it is important to show them there won’t be any anti unionist stuff in a post border poll Ireland.
James Brown wrote: » He was willing to do a photo op, not discuss anything, so they declined the photo op.
downcow wrote: » A very simple way to evidence that (if it were true) would not be by cozying up to us, but rather supporting our community a little and not rowing in 100% behind nationalist community on every issue.
littlevillage wrote: » Urlsla va der Leyn. Female in a mans job.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » Im sorry but why would we support either community in an obviously conflicted area? WHat good does that do anything. We SHOULD have standards we don't abandon. We can't support violence or threats of violence nor bigotry. Human rights are human rights. Ideally we should be nuetral ...perhaps the Irish govt has not managed that. But the idea we should support either side in this when neither of them act morally to the other is troublesome. Your community and the nationalist community have both done and supported questionable things. Both communities have a long long way to come in terms of ideology and human rights. The idea that you see the other community as your enemy says it all really ...and yes the other community prob sees you as the enemy too ..which saddens me. I don't want to support either of you but i want to see you support each other. Because the TWO of you ...are the ONLY ones that can help you get out of this. No one else. You build the peace and the relationship. Only unionists and nationalists can save NI and thus each other by building a relationship. No one else.
downcow wrote: » I don’t actually care who the Roi government supports in ni. I am challenging the notion that somehow they will be sympathetic to unionists in a UI. The evidence is that they support the nationalist community in ni 100% and don’t give a toss about the unionist community. Here is a simple example of what they could do. They could make a statement that Irish language signage in a UI would not go up in communities who resist it. That would be groundbreaking for them to take the unionist side on just one controversial issue. I know there is not a chance of it as I know there is not a chance of fair play for unionists in a UI
Fionn1952 wrote: » And if they did you'd complain anyway, likely parroting some nonsense about a foreign government trying to tell you what to do. .
Fionn1952 wrote: » And if they did you'd complain anyway, likely parroting some nonsense about a foreign government trying to tell you what to do. Probably not worth pointing out Jeffrey Donaldson's attendance (and the applause he received) at a Fine Gael national conference, or recent engagement from Leo Varadkar with the DUP despite him having to hold his nose any time he has to deal with SF. Realistically it is all about fear though, fear that what was done at the foundation of the state would be repeated from the other side. Ireland is a much more modern, outward looking place than NI even now though, let alone in comparison with the NI of a hundred years ago. The corrupt, self serving mess that was the government of NI back then wouldn't be tolerated in any modern democracy now and there would be international outrage (and immense political pressure brought to bear) if your community was to be discriminated against in that manner.
downcow wrote: » A contemptible response and very poor excuse. They have no problem commenting to support nationalists when they don’t even run the place. I am suggesting they comment on what they might do in the future to show an even hand if they ever did run the place. But we all know they won’t
downcow wrote: » There needs to be a bit of growing up in gear. Continually hating back to the partition of the state to allow Roi to separate from the UK family. 100 years ago. Name any single country and I will show you disgusting, systematic discrimination and abuse against minorities. You seem to think that Irish Catholics in ni had some Devine right to be more special than black people in USA, Asians in England, Unionists and travellers in Roi etc etc etc All discrimination is wrong. Time for you guys to move into this century
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » ugh just why???:rolleyes: You can't just say she is bad at her job?
Fionn1952 wrote: » I'm sure you can furnish us with a long list of times when Boris Johnson has commented in support of Nationalists? Perhaps taking their side on the Irish Language Act (the same sort of legislation that hasn't been at all problematic in Scotland and Wales, and which the British government agreed to as part of the GFA) like you expect the Irish government to take the Unionist side on for some bizarre reason? An interesting response to me stating that the events of a hundred years ago couldn't happen again with the shoe on the other foot as the world has changed. I don't know how pointing out that the world has changed counters that point in any way.
downcow wrote: » If you get a chance catchup with Bbc ni news at 6.30 last night. It’s very very funny. John Finucane MP is being interviewed where he complains twice on the short interview about boris photo op. Where did he ask the bbc to film the interview? Haha in front of a big sign advertising his own business. Lol you couldn’t dream up the hypocrisy
downcow wrote: » A very simple way to evidence that (if it were true) would not be by cozying up to us, but rather supporting our community a little and not rowing in 100% behind nationalist community on every issue. Actions speak louder than words! Why would we think that suddenly when there is a UI you would take an interest in our rights, culture and identity when you act 100% against it currently?
Bambi wrote: » If the EU did not have a policy of using gender as a major factor in appointing commisioners you would have a point, but they are and you don't.
downcow wrote: » Both points are irrelevant Boris is not trying to woo Irish nationalists to join the UK As for 100 years. I am pointing out you guys are barking back 100 years and suggesting ni was some how different because there was discrimination. I am pointing out that there was discrimination in every state
Sunny Disposition wrote: » Really don’t act against the Protestant community in the north, can’t think of an Irish government that had much to do with it to be honest. But I would agree that should change and the centrist parties here do need to engage as much as possible with unionism from now on.
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