snotboogie wrote: » I wonder what they will go with on this planning? Offices have been a struggle, but not a complete failure for OCP and nobody seems to be able to get high value apartment developments to work in Cork. Retail looks dead on its arse everywhere in Ireland. Could they be working with the public sector? Wasn't there talk of a hospital around this site? Also is there any update on the UCC city centre business school? Seems like a planning application has been pending for years there.
Outkast_IRE wrote: » You would have to wonder if the likes of UCC which must of spent hundreds of millions on property acquisition and development around the city is now wondering can they not make do with what they have currently if alot of students will be remote , or at least be having a rethink on all developments. Its different in science and tech research you need the physical space, but for a business school surely alot of it can move online with a small enough high class space for gathering students for certain events.
snotboogie wrote: » Do students want to spend 4 years in front of a laptop in mom and dads house as opposed to on campus? Unlike remote working, I'd imagine the huge majority of students would be against remote study. Maybe there is a hybrid model that will reduce space requirements but I'd imagine UCC and most universities would be against this. For Cork City itself the city centrebusiness school would be a huge bonus.
Outkast_IRE wrote: » I don't disagree with you but if universities can get away with enrolling more students in courses that were only physically limited by class size previously they might just do that to earn more in fees.
snotboogie wrote: » The other side of that is that if you are not limited by physical location you are also not limited by geographic competition. If UCC go online they are suddenly competing with every other online University in the world, as opposed to the 5 or 6 Universities in Ireland.
chalkitdown1 wrote: » The GAA are now trying to build a massive car park next to Parc Ui Caoimh where there was supposed to be a playground as part of the Marina Park development.https://twitter.com/MarinaParkCork/status/1371772554734678017 The fúcking balls on this lot considering they haven't paid what they already owe to the City. And more bloody cars is the last thing that's needed down there. Car Park is just to the right of the Astroturf pitch.
Mardyke wrote: » That 1970s Soviet lookalike stadium should be slid into the river Lee with the Cork County Board along with it. Absolute shower of scumbags.
the beer revolu wrote: » I'm no GAA fanboy and I most certainly wouldn't be giving them a carpark but I like the appearance of the new stadium, from both sides.
snotboogie wrote: » The main issue I have is the lack of usage. Seen on SSC somebody said it must have the worst ratio of capacity to overall attendance of any stadium ever opened anywhere in the world, I'd say they're not far wrong. Has it ever actually been filled aside from the maybe 3 times total there has been a concert there?
who_me wrote: » A fair point. But at some point we have to break the cycle of: "What's the point in building a stadium, there are no events to fill it??" and "Can't bring events to the city, as we don't have the venue for it??" Well, now there is a fantastic venue in the city, ideally rather than lament the fact that it was built; we could look to exploit it.
snotboogie wrote: » 100% agree. We should make use of what we have, I see no signs of that happening though. Plans like stadium tours speak to the incredible delusion of the people behind this. Two Munster matches a year would sell out and probably double the annual attendance of the stadium. I suppose whether Munster would be open to that is another question. Pre season friendlies for soccer teams across the water, while it wouldn't be my thing, would bring in the crowds too. The Irish rugby team and soccer team have played pre tournament friendlies in Ravenhill and Thomond, those could be chased too. I'd be pretty certain none of this is being looked at though.
who_me wrote: » There's no doubting the Aviva is a much more impressive stadium; but I can't imagine anyone would have supported the cost of it (€410m) as opposed the estimated €96m for PuC. It's being called a white-elephant as it is.
[Deleted User] wrote: » It should have been forced into a civic stadium, given the money they looked for it. Same scenario as the Aviva. IRFU own the land but the Stadium Company is a split between IRFU and FAI. Easily see the case for some rugby Autumn Internationals and the such being played there. As much as I would love to see Munster matches there. it would never happen. They need to keep filling Thomond to be financially viable and the matches sent to Cork are ones where it would lose money to open Thomond for, so a non runner for PUC
Pete_Cavan wrote: » GAA stadiums are not suitable for soccer or rugby physically (pitch too big) or commercially (need to rent PUC and existing contracts on own stadium). Not sure where the "most underused stadiums ever opened" is coming from but surely that would have been the case already. Lots of much bigger stadiums around the world which get little or no use.
snotboogie wrote: » I think a Munster game is more likely than an autumn international because Ireland are locked into the Aviva with long term ticket sales and sponsorships. Pre World Cup friendlys would be the only shot. A Leinster/Ulster/HC game in PUC where you could in theory fill it out with 45k would probably make more money than 25k in TP even with the rent costs. I suppose there is no point in this being debated because its not being looked at. Cork GAA seem quite happy to sit on one of the most underused stadiums ever opened.
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