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Guinness Surger

EagererBeaver

Anyone know anything about Guinness Surger availability? Have seen videos of lads creating perfect pints at home using surger cans and ultrasonic jewelry cleaners as the activator. The official surgers were apparently 15 quid back in the day but are now going for 200 odd on eBay.

To be honest, I'd never even heard of the things but a bit of googling suggested they gave it up in 2009 and everything was discontinued. However Beershark has an ad for a 24 pack of "new stock". Can't find anything official about it being reintroduced but seems like plenty of people are getting their hands on it.

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MrMusician18

Lynk wrote: »

I don't think this lad has ever had a decent pint, probably goes to Dublin Airport to get his Guinness.

Ah "the great Guinness pub" myth. A carryover from when there was genuine skill in pulling a pint and when it was a fresh product. Again kudos to Guinness marketing.

The Guinness you'll get in the airport is as good as anywhere else you'll get it.

BigAl81

There's a lad on YouTube that does a lot of blind taste tests. "The Guinness Guru" is the channel I think.

Spoiler alert, they don't do too well

irish_goat

Lynk wrote: »

I don't think this lad has ever had a decent pint, probably goes to Dublin Airport to get his Guinness.

Dublin airport probably pours more pints of a stout a day than most pubs.

Lynk

irish_goat wrote: »

Dublin airport probably pours more pints of a stout a day than most pubs.

The quality isn't great though. Not that it's of any fault to the employees, the place is like a cattle mart most days.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Ah "the great Guinness pub" myth. A carryover from when there was genuine skill in pulling a pint and when it was a fresh product. Again kudos to Guinness marketing.

The Guinness you'll get in the airport is as good as anywhere else you'll get it.

Ignoring your posts from now on. Nothing personal, you're just either on a wind up or don't know enough.

Insect Overlord

The local near my college had Guinness, Beamish and Murphy's on tap. The lads used to have great fun doing blind taste challenges and trying to bluff/double bluff each other (eg. Guinness in a Guinness glass, Murphy's in a Beamish glass, Beamish in a Coors glass, etc) but whether they guessed right or not, they still got 3 grand pints of stout each.

L1011

Lynk wrote: »

I don't think this lad has ever had a decent pint, probably goes to Dublin Airport to get his Guinness.

Congratulations on having been sucked in to the marketing of a giant multinational.

Guinness has more nonsense mythology than possibly anything else, and they actively encourage it.

The "great Guinness pub" stuff is down to how the pub looks and feels, not how they identically dispense an identical product

Lynk

L1011 wrote: »

Congratulations on having been sucked in to the marketing of a giant multinational.

Guinness has more nonsense mythology than possibly anything else, and they actively encourage it.

The "great Guinness pub" stuff is down to how the pub looks and feels, not how they identically dispense an identical product

"Identically dispense" is nonsense. The layout and maintenance of each system is different as is the sale for each drink from pub to pub. Murphys is my poison but its hard to find a good pint of it when it's in a bar that might only sell 10 or so pints a day.

Lewis_Benson

listermint wrote: »

Genuinely believe this is a gimmick and with a blind taste test you wouldn't tell the difference between it and standard widget can decently poured

Exactly
Who whole 2 part pour is a load of horse shyte too.

[Deleted User]

L1011 wrote: »

Congratulations on having been sucked in to the marketing of a giant multinational.

Guinness has more nonsense mythology than possibly anything else, and they actively encourage it.

The "great Guinness pub" stuff is down to how the pub looks and feels, not how they identically dispense an identical product

Some pints of Guinness are better than others, the same as pints of other drinks are better in some places than other too. To say they’re all identical is absolutely ridiculous.

Lynk

I don't get where all these people crawling out the woodwork are coming from? If you don't think there's a difference, pub to pub or from can to pint, you're free to think that. But I'm free, in my experience of working in bars as an consumer to disagree. It doesn't make me a Diaego shill, the pubs earn billions and people pay 4 times the price of a can because the consumers must believe it too, evidenced by the interested in these surgers.

Now, I've had good cans. But the best can I've ever had doesn't come anywhere close to the best pint I've ever had. It had nothing to with the environment of the place or my eyes playing tricks on me. The surger cans in my opinion, are better quality than the average Guinness can, but they also come with the cavaet of being grossly overexpensive compared to the normal cans due to import charges and shipping.

sharkman

Some may find this interesting , Some may not ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAnCpuYVYbI&t=182s

sharkman

Glebee wrote: »

Anyone try an ordinary can on the sonic cleaner probably noted previously

It can be done .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1iB1hLMCz8

MrMusician18

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Some pints of Guinness are better than others, the same as pints of other drinks are better in some places than other too. To say they’re all identical is absolutely ridiculous.

They are, especially in niteclubs and function rooms where the keg room may as well be in another county is so far away. These are the exception.

Most pubs, the keg is relatively close to the tap and they won't have beer sitting in lines for days. In that case, which is the majority, the product is identical.

I'd challenge any Guinness connoisseur to be able to pick out a Grogans/Palace etc over an airport one. I suspect they won't be able to do better than what random chance would suggest. Blindfolded they wouldn't be able to tell which was poured from a can

Mellor

Lynk wrote: »

It's like Pepsi and Coke. Murphys and Guinness are both stout, but they have a different flavour. Doesn't take someone "hardcore" to know that. Just someone with functioning taste buds.

I think the issue is bizarre fussiness. They are not the same, but they are far closer to each other than any other beers. If I want a coke, and they have pepsi, I accept it as its the closest and have a pepsi. I don;t decide to have a pint of milk.

Yet if some body orders a Murphys, "sorry we have guiness" ..."no way, totally different, give be a bulmers". :rolleyes:

MrMusician18 wrote: »

wine experts are not be able to distinguish between red and white wine dyed red.

I'm pretty sure that study involved students, not experts. And I also think it was based on smell, not taste.

And depending on the variety, it's hardly surprising. Red grapes are used to make whte and red wine. In the latter, the add the skins to give it colour, ie dying it.

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Exactly
Who whole 2 part pour is a load of horse shyte too.

It actually serves a purpose. Just not the purpose they tell you.
what they tell you is marketing, what it actually does is QA/QC.
Here's a clue. What went wrong with this pint?

Lynk

Mellor wrote: »

I think the issue is bizarre fussiness. They are not the same, but they are far closer to each other than any other beers. If I want a coke, and they have pepsi, I accept it as its the closest and have a pepsi. I don;t decide to have a pint of milk.

Yet if some body orders a Murphys, "sorry we have guiness" ..."no way, totally different, give be a bulmers". :rolleyes:

Murphys is my poison, but yet I'm in a Guinness surger thread, so I agree. Beamish for me is another issue, if the bar man said that's all they had I'd rethink it.

Mellor

Absolutely nothing wrong with preferring one or he other. Pepsi over coke.
I just think it's funny the way people when presented with a close alternative refuse and go for something totally different.

Larger drinkers tend to find the closest match without issue. Same with whiskey drinkers.

the beer revolu

Mellor wrote: »

Absolutely nothing wrong with preferring one or he other. Pepsi over coke.
I just think it's funny the way people when presented with a close alternative refuse and go for something totally different.

Larger drinkers tend to find the closest match without issue. Same with whiskey drinkers.

I've always found this hilarious.
Best is when they are forced to taste "another stout", which they dutifully do but pronounce it as shlte before it passes their lips and order a 1/4 bottle of wine!

Liamo08

BigAl81 wrote: »

There's a lad on YouTube that does a lot of blind taste tests. "The Guinness Guru" is the channel I think.

Spoiler alert, they don't do too well

Hadn’t seen that channel before some good videos his attempt at a blind taste test was pretty funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ho_VpqdzD8
Hadn’t a clue which was which. Not exactly a big shock but good to see someone actually try it and admit they hadn’t a clue.

Hotblack Desiato

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They are, especially in niteclubs and function rooms where the keg room may as well be in another county is so far away.

And in a nightclub nothing or next to nothing would be going through that line most nights of the week - in a function room, possibly nothing at all for weeks if no events are being held in that room.

I'd challenge any Guinness connoisseur to be able to pick out a Grogans/Palace etc over an airport one. I suspect they won't be able to do better than what random chance would suggest. Blindfolded they wouldn't be able to tell which was poured from a can

Blindfolded it's surprisingly difficult to tell the difference between Guinness and Smithwicks. If you don't believe me, try it.

Hotblack Desiato

sharkman wrote: »

Some may find this interesting , Some may not ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAnCpuYVYbI&t=182s

And straight away in the description with the BS:

Guinness is a popular dark Irish beer in the UK. It's best to drink it in Ireland as it doesn't seem to travel well.

Then he reveals he doesn't know what the difference is between nitro stout and CO2 stout. This guy knows next to nothing about beer if he put a CO2 pint on a surger and expected it to transform into a nitro one. He says it would be OK if he let it go flat a bit. Uhuh.

Anyone remember the syringes that came with "bottled draught Guinness" in the early 80s? My dad used to get them. One Christmas years later I wondered what would happen if I tried to surge a pint of Bulmers, even though it looked pretty flat it still went everywhere!

Working class heroes

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

And straight away in the description with the BS:

Guinness is a popular dark Irish beer in the UK. It's best to drink it in Ireland as it doesn't seem to travel well.

Then he reveals he doesn't know what the difference is between nitro stout and CO2 stout. This guy knows next to nothing about beer if he put a CO2 pint on a surger and expected it to transform into a nitro one.

Anyone remember the syringes that came with "bottled draught Guinness" in the early 80s? My dad used to get them. One Christmas years later I wondered what would happen if I tried to surge a pint of Bulmers, even though it looked pretty flat it still went everywhere!

yep, it was like a shamrock shaped plunger thingy!

Glebee

sharkman wrote: »

It can be done .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1iB1hLMCz8

Jesus, nothing wrong looking with that pint..

the beer revolu

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Blindfolded it's surprisingly difficult to tell the difference between Guinness and Smithwicks. If you don't believe me, try it.

But most "Guinness Drinkers" don't need to do a blind test as they 100% can tell the difference between their favourite pub's pint and anything else!

sharkman

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

And straight away in the description with the BS:

Guinness is a popular dark Irish beer in the UK. It's best to drink it in Ireland as it doesn't seem to travel well.

Then he reveals he doesn't know what the difference is between nitro stout and CO2 stout. This guy knows next to nothing about beer if he put a CO2 pint on a surger and expected it to transform into a nitro one. He says it would be OK if he let it go flat a bit. Uhuh.

Anyone remember the syringes that came with "bottled draught Guinness" in the early 80s? My dad used to get them. One Christmas years later I wondered what would happen if I tried to surge a pint of Bulmers, even though it looked pretty flat it still went everywhere!

That was posted simply to show what goes into the Guinness Surger , The maker of the video specialises in taking apart everyday items to see what's inside . Nowhere does he say he knows anything about the product .

TXPTGR1

What happens if you ask for a 1 pour pint of Guinness in an a pub? Do Diageo have spies that will eat the pub out?
I’m going to try it when pubs reopen will be some time saving

the beer revolu

TXPTGR1 wrote: »

What happens if you ask for a 1 pour pint of Guinness in an a pub? Do Diageo have spies that will eat the pub out?
I’m going to try it when pubs reopen will be some time saving

My wife at one time found she liked unsettled Beamish. A friendly barman used to give her little whiskey glasses of unsettled Beamish and try and not charge her. He couldn't justify taking money for it!
I reckoned there were four of them to a pint and could be charged as such.

Thundercats Ho

sharkman wrote: »

It can be done .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1iB1hLMCz8

That's interesting.
I might invest in one of the ultrasonic cleaners now.
I wouldn't be bothered importing the surger cans, but the pints in the video look class from a regular widget can.

Guinness (for me, at least) is about the mouthfeel and the visual.
9 out of 10 times i'll have some sort of craft beer, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with a feed of Guinness now and again.
I find the floating widget cans grand tbh, but if the trick in the video works, and it improves the head / mouthfeel / look, then what harm.

L1011

TXPTGR1 wrote: »

What happens if you ask for a 1 pour pint of Guinness in an a pub? Do Diageo have spies that will eat the pub out?
I’m going to try it when pubs reopen will be some time saving

Plenty of bar staff just won't do it particularly if they don't know who you are (or think you'll be moaning about the pint afterwards for some psychosomatic reason).

BigAl81

K, the scientific research continues.

This evening I added more water to the jewellery cleaner, so at least an inch deep.

Before I had less than half that.

It's a complete game changer, tonight's beers are twice as good I reckon. Bigger fuller creamier head that lasts the whole way down to the end. Very impressed this evening I have to say!

I'm going to have another one now just to be sure

Andrew00

No shtick