leex wrote: » Case Farmall 115U here with a loader. Hoping to buy a double bale handler in next couple of months. Rear lift rated at 2900kg at 24". Should we have any concerns with 2 Fusion silage bales + carrier on back plus 1 fusion bale on loader? Any recommendations on Fleming vs Nugent or AN Other? Need one with trip to place bales on end.
oxjkqg wrote: » Hi, there would be no problem provided the stuff isnt dripping wet silage! 1 thing to note that seems to catch a few people, as i make handlers myself, is with some handlers they have the handler pushed back 100-150mm further away from the tractor than it should be which is a lot in terms of the way the weight is distributed. I make the paddle type handlers and the trick is to keep the handler as close into the tractor, with the right geometry and u will have very little strain on your tractor or backend. your tractor should be more than up to it.
Bass Reeves wrote: » On the McCormick the lift rating is 3800 kgs. My name handler had the lift point for the linkages within the frame. My silage was over 50%DM. Tractor would only lift two bale 3-4'' of the ground. I was surprised but unless the lift data for my tractor is wrong on tractor data I think you need a lift capacity of 5k to lift two bales. The farmall is designed wit two lift capacities. The higher rating is 5600 kgs that's the one you need to lift two bales
Mooooo wrote: » Fusion bales, esp if they end up near the 24% dm range can have a fair weight on them. They'd make the 7840 light in the front even with the half tonne up front and she has painfully short lift arms. 412 would be light at the back lifting two of em as well. If small amount of work she may do but if doing alot it may be a bit much
Bass Reeves wrote: » I do not think the tractor will lift two fusion bales at the back. When a tractor is rated at 24'' it is rated at virtually the balls of the arms. This is actually like this weight was vertically placed on the ends of the end of the arms. A bale will be 50-55 inches behind this. I have a McCormick international rear lift is rated at over 3000 kgs and it will not lift two bales of dry silage
leex wrote: » Case Farmall 115U here with a loader. Hoping to buy a double bale handler in next couple of months. Rear lift rated at 2900kg at 24". Should we have any concerns with 2 Fusion silage bales + carrier on back plus 1 fusion bale on loader?
endainoz wrote: » Would there not also be a concern of the tractor being under serious pressure with the bale on the front aswell? My mechanic had said to me that lads in medium sized tractors with double bale handlers and a loader run a serious risk of splitting the tractor in the middle. It's not something I actually heard of happening but still it's a scary thought! Definitely won't be carrying 3 on the zetor this summer!
9935452 wrote: » Totally agree, the closer it is to the tractor the better. Even by a few inches. Ive made a few paddle type ones. Mine have the centre of the pins 4 inches to the back of the bale. On a hook lift arm its very close to rubbing the bale . Ive measured a few trip ones. The worst one was 13 inches from the pin to the back of the bale . End result is ive used mine on a 80hp 2wd crystal with 250kg on the nose drawing fusion bales without any issue
oxjkqg wrote: » Correct, makes all the difference really in your tractor being balanced and unbalanced. Crystal with a double handler be some gig Absolutly no issue with tractors and double handlers, if the stabilisers are kept tight and your not going up and down the road at 40km/h with your 3 bales there is no issues. This myth about tractors splitting in the middle - if you have an issue with a tractor splitting a double bale handler is the least of your problems.
emaherx wrote: » The safe/legal load will be the lowest of the rated weights for the tractor and the plated trailer. Or else 5 tonne if unplated, (probably around 6 bales + the trailer). . Those pipe type bale trailers are probably illegal anyway as the law states every bale must have a strap across it and most I've seen have no way of strapping down bales at all.
leex wrote: » I see a few being made with an extra pipe across back with lights so it should be possible to use 2 x ratchet straps from back to front. Brakes and plate/certification are available on 2 of the trailers I looked at. Would the plate allow much more legal weight typically? This would be used mostly for a long field draw with about last 300m on road. A new 8 bale trailer plated with brakes and lights would be around 1800eur ish vs half that price roughly for a "decent" used 6 bale with no brakes, lights or plate. The new larger one would be preferred as long as I was fully road legal with it. A flatbed would be outside of budget right now.
josephsoap wrote: » https://www.donedeal.ie/view/27431096 This one looks like the centre pins would be very close to the bale.
emaherx wrote: » The plate will in most cases allow considerably more weight. The max weight for an unplated trailer is 5 tonne including the weight of the trailer so about 6 bales max on that type of trailer. If the trailer is braked and plated with adequate lighting then no reason you wouldn't be fully road legal with a couple of straps.
leex wrote: » I see a few being made with an extra pipe across back with lights so it should be possible to use 2 x ratchet straps from back to front.
leex wrote: » Is there much involved in getting an older trailer plated? Is it a road worthiness certificate or simply a rating for speeds/weights?
selectamatic wrote: » RSA could still do ya for that if they felt like it though. They had a tractor and load of bales up on Twitter last year with a similar strapping technique and said it was insufficient.
emaherx wrote: » I'd bet that vehicle had other issues too. Issue is the tie down requirements are very vague, and mearly state that loads need to be adequately tied down.
Water John wrote: » Bale diameter is 1.2m just under 12 ft for 3 bales.
