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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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ebayissues

Is a wood burner preferred to multifuel?

Blowheads

ebayissues wrote: »

Is a wood burner preferred to multifuel?

Personally no, multi fuel you can burn what you like including timber, with a wood burner you are limited
Imagine being able to burn a little turf then timber and a some coal if you want, why would you limit yourself?

ebayissues

Blowheads wrote: »

Personally no, multi fuel you can burn what you like including timber, with a wood burner you are limited
Imagine being able to burn a little turf then timber and a some coal if you want, why would you limit yourself?

I'm a stove noob, I'm trying to gauge what's efficient, better.
Tho the flexibility to burn tyrf, timber is appealing.

Blowheads

ebayissues wrote: »

I'm a stove noob, I'm trying to gauge what's efficient, better.
Tho the flexibility to burn tyrf, timber is appealing.

Efficiently depends on what you burn, brown turf bad, anthracite is at the other end of the scale. Same applies to soft or hard wood, air died or kiln dried. You get out based on what you put in, but for flexibility multi gives you this

What kind of stove are you thinking? Boiler or dry, insert, freestanding, cassette, room size?

shortlegs

What would be a suitable replacement fora Waterford Erin multi-fuel, to heat 14 rads, please? Was thinking about the Lismore.

ebayissues

Blowheads wrote: »

Efficiently depends on what you burn, brown turf bad, anthracite is at the other end of the scale. Same applies to soft or hard wood, air died or kiln dried. You get out based on what you put in, but for flexibility multi gives you this

What kind of stove are you thinking? Boiler or dry, insert, freestanding, cassette, room size?

Room size is under 12m2. I'm thinking of fireline/vitae 6k/8/9kw

Bass Reeves

ebayissues wrote: »

Room size is under 12m2. I'm thinking of fireline/vitae 6k/8/9kw

12m2 is not a big room less than 12'X12' . I suspect 6kw it lower

Summer2020

I read some article about new regulations for stoves from 2022 will have to be more efficient. Would it be a mistake to buy now, or are these newer type compliant stoves on sale now?

Forge83

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Summer2020 wrote: »

I read some article about new regulations for stoves from 2022 will have to be more efficient. Would it be a mistake to buy now, or are these newer type compliant stoves on sale now?

Yes they exist now with the label Eco2022.

ebayissues

Can I plz get pm of reliable contractors that can install a modern inset stove in the dublin north area?

I've gotten supply and quote on installing vitae 6kw inbetwwen 3-4.5k including vat - supply of stove, materials, inserting new flue & labour.

Car99

ebayissues wrote: »

Can I plz get pm of reliable contractors that can install a modern inset stove in the dublin north area?

I've gotten supply and quote on installing vitae 6kw inbetwwen 3-4.5k including vat - supply of stove, materials, inserting new flue & labour.

The stove is €1200 ? What kind of flue are they putting in ? Are they lining an existing chimney of putting in new external flue?

ebayissues

Car99 wrote: »

The stove is €1200 ? What kind of flue are they putting in ? Are they lining an existing chimney of putting in new external flue?

Stove is arround 1000/1200 mark(Vitae 6kw). Existing chimney is being re-lined.

Bass Reeves

ebayissues wrote: »

Stove is arround 1000/1200 mark(Vitae 6kw). Existing chimney is being re-lined.

Sounds very expensive at 5k to when stove is only 1-1.2k. 4k to fit a stove and liner. Liners, vermiculate and fitting 6-800 euro. Even if chimney breast is boring opened up and refinished 2-2.5k in total should be tops.

brandonviewer

Looking for a bit of advice about the Henley Apollo 5 insert stove that I had fitted on Saturday. I lit a small enough fire last evening as instructed but I noticed that the wooden mantelpiece got very hot as in you couldn't put your hand on the underside of it after about an hour. The mantle is about 27cms from the top of the stove.
When the registered installer was doing the original measure up he assured me that this would not be a problem but I am fairly nervous about it.
Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there something that I could maybe paint on to the underside or am I looking at a new fire surround??
Any help would be welcome

Maximus_1

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Sounds very expensive at 5k to when stove is only 1-1.2k. 4k to fit a stove and liner. Liners, vermiculate and fitting 6-800 euro. Even if chimney breast is boring opened up and refinished 2-2.5k in total should be tops.

Yeah agree. We had a Vitae 6kw installed this year. Chimney lined, new hearth and a new fireplace surround fittes. Total labour cost for the 2 lads for the day was €300. Bought everything and fitters provided via O'Dowds in Carrick on Shannon. I know things are a little cheaper outside the pale but that's some difference.

ebayissues

Yea I'm a bit suprised by the quotes tbh.

I'm looking at the 4.5k quote and there is 1,200 for lintel installation and actual installation costs of 900, flue pipe 250, hearth 250.

Another quote, labor 800, stove 1100, liner = 550e - what's this?

Another with stove supplied,flue liner and hearth = 2700 ex. Vat.

Car99

ebayissues wrote: »

Yea I'm a bit suprised by the quotes tbh.

I'm looking at the 4.5k quote and there is 1,200 for lintel installation and actual installation costs of 900, flue pipe 250, hearth 250.

Another quote, labor 800, stove 1100, liner = 550e - what's this?

Another with stove supplied,flue liner and hearth = 2700 ex. Vat.

Do you need a new hearth and lintel?

Can the chimney be accessed easily from the roof will a cherry picker be required?

6m liner or 9m liner (flue) required? €250 for a 9M flue liner is about right.

Maximus_1

brandonviewer wrote: »

Looking for a bit of advice about the Henley Apollo 5 insert stove that I had fitted on Saturday. I lit a small enough fire last evening as instructed but I noticed that the wooden mantelpiece got very hot as in you couldn't put your hand on the underside of it after about an hour. The mantle is about 27cms from the top of the stove.
When the registered installer was doing the original measure up he assured me that this would not be a problem but I am fairly nervous about it.
Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there something that I could maybe paint on to the underside or am I looking at a new fire surround??
Any help would be welcome

Not for me to argue with a registered installer but when we put in our stove everywhere we shopped told us the same thing. That our wooden surround would have to be replaced.

Skippy along

brandonviewer wrote: »

Looking for a bit of advice about the Henley Apollo 5 insert stove that I had fitted on Saturday. I lit a small enough fire last evening as instructed but I noticed that the wooden mantelpiece got very hot as in you couldn't put your hand on the underside of it after about an hour. The mantle is about 27cms from the top of the stove.
When the registered installer was doing the original measure up he assured me that this would not be a problem but I am fairly nervous about it.
Anyone have any thoughts on this? Is there something that I could maybe paint on to the underside or am I looking at a new fire surround??
Any help would be welcome

Having fitted ours like you was a bit nervous about the heat it was just getting too hot for my liking so the wood had to go should have done it from day one

snor

Skippy along wrote: »

Having fitted ours like you was a bit nervous about the heat it was just getting too hot for my liking so the wood had to go should have done it from day one

My set up almost the exact same as yours and my wooden surround does not heat up at all - have a 8kw vitae insert. Should I be worried? Heat output from stove is not good at all I find.

snor

Skippy along wrote: »

Having fitted ours like you was a bit nervous about the heat it was just getting too hot for my liking so the wood had to go should have done it from day one

My set up almost the exact same as yours and my wooden surround does not heat up at all - have a 8kw vitae insert. Should I be worried? Height output from stove is not good at all I find.

Skippy along

snor wrote: »

My set up almost the exact same as yours and my wooden surround does not heat up at all - have a 8kw vitae insert. Should I be worried? Height output from stove is not good at all I find.

The mantel (see pic) came out a couple of inches just enough so would catch the heat coming from below which worried me every other part was fine it got to a point where a change had to be made... If yours doesn't catch any significant heat and your happy then no need to change... Your heat output is a different story which could be a number of things which I'm sure some people on here could give better advice on... Mine belts out heat with a mix of dried ash/beech and a shovel of coal

eddiek

Have a 20 year old solid fuel stove here with wrap around boiler. Extra rads added over the years and now the stove gives very little heat to room it's in. If we remove the boiler will heat to the room improve?.can run rads on oil only then.thanks for any replies

yabadabado

Skippy along wrote: »

Having fitted ours like you was a bit nervous about the heat it was just getting too hot for my liking so the wood had to go should have done it from day one

What is the new mantel made from ?

Bass Reeves

eddiek wrote: »

Have a 20 year old solid fuel stove here with wrap around boiler. Extra rads added over the years and now the stove gives very little heat to room it's in. If we remove the boiler will heat to the room improve?.can run rads on oil only then.thanks for any replies

Have you thermostatic valves in the roads you could try that. Try setting the thermostat on the pump for the stove higher than the one for the o so it kicks in only when water pipe is hotter.

brandonviewer

Maximus_1 wrote: »

Not for me to argue with a registered installer but when we put in our stove everywhere we shopped told us the same thing. That our wooden surround would have to be replaced.

Thanks for that maximus 1. I was told that as well in a couple of stove shops but was willing to go with the installers professional advice.
I'm leaning towards changing the fire surround but might give Henley a shout first for a bit of advice

brandonviewer

Skippy along wrote: »

Having fitted ours like you was a bit nervous about the heat it was just getting too hot for my liking so the wood had to go should have done it from day one

Thanks skippy along. I'm leaning towards changing the mantle but will talk to Henley first. Your new setup looks like the business. Any idea how much it cost roughly??

Bass Reeves

yabadabado wrote: »

What is the new mantel made from ?

It's with a composite or marble

Car99

eddiek wrote: »

Have a 20 year old solid fuel stove here with wrap around boiler. Extra rads added over the years and now the stove gives very little heat to room it's in. If we remove the boiler will heat to the room improve?.can run rads on oil only then.thanks for any replies

Not sure it's a good idea to run a boiler stove empty of water.

misc2013

We have started stove shopping. We've heard the speil about higher end Heta range v "cheaper" Henley etc. Neither of which seem cheap in my book but anyway. So, apparently Henley / cheaper tend to require regular replacement parts vs the higher end_ in this case 400/500in the dif. But, we are not planning to use it everyday as we have OFCH, prob more at the weekends unless particularly cold. It's more for the weekend where it might light all day then in the winter. So, I'm wondering, as a potentially light user, would a Henley be sufficient rather than if relying on it all winter? We only need a 5kW dry lit. No back boiler. Thanks.