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FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG still offer a place of comfort for belligerent Unionism/Loyalism. They have no problem shunning nationalists who signed up to the GFA but have a real problem being brave enough to stand up to Unionism/Loyalism which didn't.
Says it all.

Subservient mindset, dont think they are good enough to do things for themselves, always looking to their former masters for approval, thats why there have been so many weak FG Taoiseach, Cosgrave,Fitzgerald Bruton, all weedy little men bent at the knee to a long gone empire

RandomViewer wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/damning-indictment-of-government-and-garda-but-collusion-is-unproven-1.399168

FG still offer a place of comfort for belligerent Unionism/Loyalism. They have no problem shunning nationalists who signed up to the GFA but have a real problem being brave enough to stand up to Unionism/Loyalism which didn't.
Says it all.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/damning-indictment-of-government-and-garda-but-collusion-is-unproven-1.399168

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Have you firm evidence of that........?

Brendan Bendar

RandomViewer wrote: »

Revisionism seems to be the FG way, sure their Harry Potter lookalike was blaming the Dublin/Monaghan bombings on the IRA, forgetting that the FG government at the time coluded with the UDA to get the bombers away

Have you firm evidence of that........?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No mark...even your history of these forums is flawed.

The reason for conflict/war on this island for the last 100 years is 'partition'. The 'fault' for violence is as always at the door of the participants.

Revisionism seems to be the FG way, sure their Harry Potter lookalike was blaming the Dublin/Monaghan bombings on the IRA, forgetting that the FG government at the time coluded with the UDA to get the bombers away

markodaly wrote: »

August 1969 with great fanfare and enthusiasm from the Nationalist population. Even the IRA was pleased at the time, but a core of them were humiliated that they had to rely on the BA to protect their own people.

This is one of the core reasons for the split, the Official IRA didn't really want all-out war, but a chunk of them did and they wanted to try bomb and murder their way to a UI, thus enter the Provos...

The BA showed within days...not weeks or months - that they were there to shore up the sectarian bigoted state with violence.

You do not have the first clue of the actual history.

markodaly wrote: »

August 1969 with great fanfare and enthusiasm from the Nationalist population. Even the IRA was pleased at the time, but a core of them were humiliated that they had to rely on the BA to protect their own people.

This is one of the core reasons for the split, the Official IRA didn't really want all-out war, but a chunk of them did and they wanted to try bomb and murder their way to a UI, thus enter the Provos...

Giving control of the army to Stormont!! Jesus wept,
Are FG supporters really brainwashed?

markodaly wrote: »

Because it was all partitions fault.... :pac::rolleyes:

No mark...even your history of these forums is flawed.

The reason for conflict/war on this island for the last 100 years is 'partition'. The 'fault' for violence is as always at the door of the participants.

bobbysands81

bobbysands81 wrote: »

That is an insane statement.

@markodaly, any chance you could give us your train of thought that lead to that incredible statement?

RandomViewer wrote: »

When were the British army sent in,?

August 1969 with great fanfare and enthusiasm from the Nationalist population. Even the IRA was pleased at the time, but a core of them were humiliated that they had to rely on the BA to protect their own people.

This is one of the core reasons for the split, the Official IRA didn't really want all-out war, but a chunk of them did and they wanted to try bomb and murder their way to a UI, thus enter the Provos...

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Probably because they weren't.

Because it was all partitions fault.... :pac::rolleyes:

joseywhales

RandomViewer wrote: »

Its FG revisionism, they dont even recognise victims of Loyalism, lining up to get selfies with arch hypocrite Donaldson at the Ard Fheis, partysize hardons on the lor of them

I'm not affiliated but I somehow doubt that this is the official fg position.

NovemberWren

RandomViewer wrote: »

Pira didn't exist in 1969, what the fuk have you been snotting?

and they don't exist now.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

That is an insane statement.

Its FG revisionism, they dont even recognise victims of Loyalism, lining up to get selfies with arch hypocrite Donaldson at the Ard Fheis, partysize hardons on the lor of them

bobbysands81 wrote: »

That is an insane statement.

mark's grasp of history has been proven not to be great. Some humdingers.

bobbysands81

markodaly wrote: »

Irish Republicans who support SF/PIRA have never accepted that they were the primary instigators of the conflict in the North.

That is an insane statement.

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

All the IRAs are the same. No need for arguing over which title they were using at a given time. In all cases, it was an attraction for the most despicable excuses for human beings - the weak of mind, the low of morals, with an added dollop of predilection for inflicting pain and distress on the lives of others.

So FG protested on the streets Saturday past, National Party are all FG gene pool

markodaly wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army
You are welcome.

When were the British army sent in,? Loyalism was the root of the troubles, denying people work ,housing and even the right to vote, FF armed the PIRA ,how can you sit in government with them?

markodaly wrote: »

A weird statement.

The Germans of today don't blame the Versailles Treaty as 'forcing' them into war like modern-day Irish Republicans push partition as forcing violent Irish Republicans into the conflict in the North.

The Germans totally accept the blame for the Nazi's and the war the followed.
Irish Republicans who support SF/PIRA have never accepted that they were the primary instigators of the conflict in the North.

Probably because they weren't.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Those who fought the Germans have gotten over it mark. Germany has a full place at the international table.
Are you one of those who still talks of The Hun and every German is a Nazi?

A weird statement.

The Germans of today don't blame the Versailles Treaty as 'forcing' them into war like modern-day Irish Republicans push partition as forcing violent Irish Republicans into the conflict in the North.

The Germans totally accept the blame for the Nazi's and the war the followed.
Irish Republicans who support SF/PIRA have never accepted that they were the primary instigators of the conflict in the North.

bobbysands81

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

'War/conflict' here, is a euphemism for terrorism.

Only one side ruled with terror... the other side fought back.

...but it’s all our fault for being invaded, how dare we fight back, we should have just accepted a sectarian statelet in the north, a living embodiment of how democracy doesn’t work when you’re not allowed a voice. That political vacuum was filled with violence as a result of British misrule and Irish political parties not giving a flying f*^k about the apartheid style state set up in the north... but again it’s our fault for fighting back.

Take away the reasons for war and there is no war.

RandomViewer wrote: »

Pira didn't exist in 1969, what the fuk have you been snotting?

The Provisional IRA emerged in December 1969, due to a split within the previous incarnation of the IRA and the broader Irish republican movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army
You are welcome.

Natterjack from Kerry

RandomViewer wrote: »

Pira didn't exist in 1969, what the fuk have you been snotting?

All the IRAs are the same. No need for arguing over which title they were using at a given time. In all cases, it was an attraction for the most despicable excuses for human beings - the weak of mind, the low of morals, with an added dollop of predilection for inflicting pain and distress on the lives of others.

markodaly wrote: »

That is like say, we should excuse the Germans and their various atrocities committed in the 2nd World War, as 'Ah sure there was a war on' when the Germans themselves invaded Poland.

The primary aggressors here were the PIRA. They were the major instigators of the conflict. That is just a fact.

Those who fought the Germans have gotten over it mark. Germany has a full place at the international table.
Are you one of those who still talks of The Hun and every German is a Nazi?

markodaly wrote: »

That is like say, we should excuse the Germans and their various atrocities committed in the 2nd World War, as 'Ah sure there was a war on' when the Germans themselves invaded Poland.

The primary aggressors here were the PIRA. They were the major instigators of the conflict. That is just a fact.

Pira didn't exist in 1969

No personal abuse

McMurphy wrote: »

This moral high ground shyte is really unbearable tbh.

No moral high ground.

Personally, I think the Easter rising and war of independence was a mistake, a mistake we are still paying for, as we laud one group of Republicans over another. I would have liked to have given Home Rule a go.

There is a difference though that the Old IRA did have a democratic mandate, while the PIRA had none.
Also, the first war of independence was a short affair in contrast to the bloody 30 years war. Collins sought peace at the first opportunity, while the PIRA were hell-bent on keeping going for no valid reason because the leadership were maniacs.
These are very very big differences between the two.