The White Wolf wrote: » I think it's harsh to call it fan entitlement given it was clearly stunt casting to boost hype for the show. But it is what it is, I'm not going to waste further breath on it other than say I hope to see more of Peters in the MCU.
Foxtrol wrote: » Disagree strongly with this take on QS. Sure instigating talk was part of the casting but using him has massive consequences, by doing this MCU have sent out a message and basically killed any type of potential cross-over between Fox's X-Men universe. That is huge in the grand scheme of things and likely a big downer for a lot of theory click sites - who I can see already pushing back. I don't get how you (and many others) would be frustrated if 'rumours' aren't followed through on by Marvel, like the roles of previous Spider-men. It is completely fans own fault for building up theories in their heads to such an extent that they can't handle when they don't come true. I learned the lesson after the first few seasons of Lost - enjoy the speculation but don't go down the rabbit hole so far that if they don't go the way I want that I'd be frustrated. The way some folk get so annoyed by red herrings makes me wonder how they read any books or watch TV or movies. It seems to a growing problem, which I'm not sure is amplified by those sites that make their money by pushing theories.
pjohnson wrote: » I saw a few X-Fans on twitter/reddit now lamenting the fact that X-Men are under Marvel and now just dick jokes and cosplay when it comes to Feige. A shame since pre-buyout there had been two good Mutant shows. A large portion now seem to have reduced expectations to something probably worse than Inhumans and are just going back to the current X-Comics rennaisance for pleasure. Fans of mutants now have no expectation so cant be dissapointed. I guess thats a win, although they similarly arent interested in Falcon & WS anymore since they assume the "Madripoor" leak is just more trolling so thats not great. And expectations for actually doing a proper Deadpool movie also reduced. It cost Fox a lot of money to beat the expectations to zero, this was cheaper :pac:
Kevin Feige wrote: » No more mutants....
kerplun k wrote: » Funny how WandaVision has really set the expectations for FatWS & Loki. There’ll be zero appetite to go into any sort of in depth post mortem of the weekly episodes now.
Insect Overlord wrote: » Oh. How awfully pessimistic.
Foxtrol wrote: » To me that is simply a crazy of being overdramatic from those fans. MCU in general builds their world slowly and methodically and Feige had even come out saying they wouldn't be diving into mutants. The Fox X-Universe had some bright spots but it was a complete mess continuity wise. I get fans wanting another hit of characters they love but surely they should have trust in how MCU built out the characters they had rights to and then perfectly incorporated a new Spider-Man, who is widely adored. The build up MCU do has so far always been worth it, so if expectations of those fans is now down to normal levels then they'll likely love where it takes them. I still feel they'll go the route of slowly 'seeding' mutant characters into other properties before any sort of Mutant standalone movie (e.g., Storm in BP2, Rogue in CM 2), I'm now not sure if they'll have a big bang event that we'll see to cause the mutants appearing, like Wanda, or else rely on something that has already happened, like the multiple snaps on earth.
pjohnson wrote: » The MCU didn't have Andrew Garfield as a cosplayer dressed as SpiderMan swinging around the place only to then reveal its actually just Phil Dicks all along.
kerplun k wrote: » Funny how WandaVision has really set the expectations for FatWS & Loki. There’ll be zero appetite to go into any sort of in depth post mortem of the weekly episodes now. For me it’s clear the TV shows won’t have any major implications for the movies. There’ll probably be a soft lead in to the movies, but I won’t think any of these shows will be essential viewing for the films.
Foxtrol wrote: » I see the villains very differently. I believe the whole point was not to have an obvious 'big bad' because they wanted it to be unclear to the audience whether it was Wanda or not. It worked that the villains were as much of a loss as what was going on as we were and were kind of dealing things on the fly. I enjoyed that approach far more than the normal knowing who the bad guy is going to be from the first episode or two and then learning their complicated plan as the season goes on.
Coybig_ wrote: » 3 Episodes in and it's very hard viewing. From the first minute of episode 1 you know that something isn't right, but the tiny reveal or 'glitch in the matrix' in each of the first 3 episodes just confirms that, yes, something isn't right. Writers, we know this. You need to give us a little bit more! Yes the third one has a bigger 'glitch' but it still fills 90-95 percent of the episode with sitcom. As a standalone episode I have no problem with the sitcom approach - Mr.Robot (one of my favourite shows) did this in Season 2, but it was just 1 episode rather than the 3 (so far). 99% of it is just this irrelevant sitcom that doesn't really develop the characters in any way whatsoever. Very little actual substance. As a show it seems to rely on the fact that it has a huge existing fanbase with the expectation that they need to watch each offering to know where the universe stands going into the next property. Thus it feels comfortable offering very little, because it doesn't feel pressured to keep the viewer interested. I'll keep going reluctantly just so I'm up to date going into the next show or movie, but Marvel seem to be having so many more misses than hits recently that the goodwill that they build up is fading. They had an almost uninterrupted run of very good to great films in Phase 3, from Civil War all the way to Infinity War (Dr Strange being the lone outlier). Since the brilliance of Infinity War - Ant Man and the Wasp, Captain Marvel, Endgame and Spiderman Far from Home were all (in my opinion) at best below average. Hopefully this picks up.
ArthurG wrote: » https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMerNQooA/ I’ll get my coat.....
Coybig_ wrote: » Watched episode 4 and 5 and a slight improvement if only because there is some semblance of a plot. I feel like a lot of the information delivered in episode 4 could have been weaved into episode 2 and Episode 3 and the show would have been better for it. I initially didnt even recognise who Monica was, which I guess is telling of just how forgettable and poor Captain Marvel was as a movie. I am over half way in and it really feels like they stretched 2 or 3 episodes of content into 5. When you compare this to Daredevil as a series, bar a few episodes of DD season 2, the gap in quality is almost unquantifiable. I was particularly annoyed about the scene after the snap, because we saw so little of it! Yet again Marvel afraid to deal with what should be the real fallout of the snap, and the complicated ramifications of it. Too quickly brushed aside in Far from Home and now this. I dont know am I in the minority and I'm delighted if people liked it, but just falling very flat for me thus far. Hopefully the final 4 episodes can improve.
klose wrote: » Monica is a littl girl in captain marvel so you wouldn't recognise her as they're literally different actresses.
The first 3 episodes aped every sitcom cliche, but had genuine fun with almost none of them, and weren't in any way funny. It was genre-surfing as a sort of filler, a sketch that lasts half an hour but without any laughs, just to get to the few hints in each episode as to what really is going on.
The first 3 episodes were sitcom filler. You could easily have scrapped 1 of those and still had the same emotional impact.
I don't think much of the show if I'm honest. The sitcom element is forced, tedious and not funny. You could nearly fast forward through those parts, its just padding and a distraction. Olsen and Bettanys acting is good and convincing but the supporting characters outside the town like Darcy, Monica, and Jimmy Woo are one dimensional. They act like they are teenage sleuths solving a mystery. Their dialogue is so corny and cliched, it constantly undermines any dramatic tension. Every one of them is doing a bad impression of Robert Downey Jr. doing quips as Tony Stark. Their acting is pretty woeful too. The series is like a twin episode of the Twilight Zone or the Outer Limits dragged out to 3 hours plus.
Foxtrol wrote: » This will probably the new normal of this thread, living through the same cycle of people watching the show. The fact you're trying to compare this to DD points to your preference/taste in what you're looking for, not the 'quality' of the show as you mention in this post and when you claim it has 'very little actual substance' in your earlier one. I'm a broken record at this point but you can not like something without making up claims of vague flaws. I enjoyed DD but it never came close to the depth and emotional connection that WV did for me - that doesn't mean DD is deeply flawed in some vague impossible to pinpoint way.
klose wrote: » On that topic, I wonder will there some sort of recap or flashback sequence to fill in cinema goers who have not viewed any of the disney plus series as to why characters such as Wanda have developed?
The Inbetween is mine wrote: » You're just having a laugh at this point.... emotional connection with WV...it was totally devoid of real emotion... you knew the kids weren't real, you knew vision wasn't real...it was a pity party for 1 .. It was enjoyable at times... it left you wanting more, it set up a larger storyline to come with the MCU...but it did not engender any emotional connection whatsoever imo
