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Nvidia RTX Discussion

K.O.Kiki

A new era in 3D graphics stands before us.

First-gen Raytracing GPUs:

Nvidia "Turing" - Quadro RTX 5000 / 6000 / 8000 (US$ 2'300 / 6'300 / 10'000)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13214/nvidia-reveals-next-gen-turing-gpu-architecture
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13217/nvidia-announces-turing-powered-quadro-rtx-family

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Cuddlesworth

H3llR4iser wrote: »

That would indeed be a valid reason for the "sold out but not really being used" scenario, along with the scalping and mining issues.

It's just that the narrative that it's "huge demand from gamers stuck into lockdown causing this", that has been pushed around for a while among a bunch of news outlets, is clearly incorrect - or blown out of proportion.

Lets go at this again.

The 3080 and the 3090 are the same chip. Both together are 1.03%(.74 and .29).

The equivalent chip in the 2xxx series(2080ti) has registered .78%, sold for 2 years and the Titan isn't there in the survey as a singular card. It has been remarked, it did not sell well in general.

The equivalent chip in the 1xxx series(1080ti) has 1.26% and sold for roughly 2 years. The Titans again, never sold in serious numbers and are not there.

The GA102 chip is on track to outsell the previous 2 generations by a multiple of 4 assuming 2 years on the market. It might even surpass the low end chip of the last gen(TU106). That's nuts.

They are making the cards, the cards are getting into gamers hands. That sort of demand for high end cards is unprecedented. Might be because you can only get high end cards, but still its unheard of.

There isn't a single other card equivalent to the 3090 on that list. There are more active 3090's then 980ti's out there. Thats nuts to me. Its a 1500 quid card.

H3llR4iser

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I don't think Nvidia has been making many of the GA104 or GA106 chips, so your correct there about the lower end cards. Why would they though, the high end is the highest profit margin an they can't make enough of them.

Remember, every 3070 or 3060 is just a 3080 that could have sold for more and made Nvidia more money. Same with AMD, if this hadn't coincided with two consoles releases they would be flooding the market with cards.

That would indeed be a valid reason for the "sold out but not really being used" scenario, along with the scalping and mining issues.

It's just that the narrative that it's "huge demand from gamers stuck into lockdown causing this", that has been pushed around for a while among a bunch of news outlets, is clearly incorrect - or blown out of proportion.

Cuddlesworth

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Yes, but the fact remains these cards are selling out constantly and they've been doing so for months now. If these ended up primarily within their intended target audience they'd show up more in these stats, there's no escaping that.

I don't think Nvidia has been making many of the GA104 or GA106 chips, so your correct there about the lower end cards. Why would they though, the high end is the highest profit margin an they can't make enough of them.

Remember, every 3070 or 3060 is just a 3080 that could have sold for more and made Nvidia more money. Same with AMD, if this hadn't coincided with two consoles releases they would be flooding the market with cards.

H3llR4iser

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

But your not comparing like for like, your comparing older low end cheaper cards to the new high end cards. The 3080 being out 6 months and being at .74% is bloody impressive, Nvidia have shipped some serious numbers of cards into gamers hands regardless of crypto problems. AMD have clearly been shipping f all.

Comparable cards in the price range($600) are the GTX1080ti and RTX2080, in which the 3080 is looking really likely to surpass both during its time frame. And to be honest, the vast majority of cards are not selling for similar prices, they are selling for way more.

If you want demand to go, we need equivalent cards to the mid end, eg the circa 200 quid cards. Right now, they simply just don't exist in the market, so everybody is just upping their budgets.

Yes, but the fact remains these cards are selling out constantly and they've been doing so for months now. If these ended up primarily within their intended target audience they'd show up more in these stats, there's no escaping that.

Homelander

Keyzer wrote: »

I have zero sympathy for this person.

I can't get over him, zero interest in all his overpriced ads and he's constantly deleting them and re-uploading them at higher prices.

Ancient R9 380 has now increased to €250 despite zero comments or interest in it at €220. The RX580 is now €800.

What planet do people like this on. Reminds me of the idiots who actually thought Flappy Bird increased their phones value by 5x and were trying to sell them on Adverts.

Cuddlesworth

H3llR4iser wrote: »

As generic as the Steam Hardware Survey can be, the fact that two entire lines of GPU that sell out the moment they're stocked, regardless of the price, are basically nonexistent in it puts the "unprecedented demand from gamers" discussion to bed. The majority of these cards end up in mining rigs - or gatering dust in some scalper's bedroom.

But your not comparing like for like, your comparing older low end cheaper cards to the new high end cards. The 3080 being out 6 months and being at .74% is bloody impressive, Nvidia have shipped some serious numbers of cards into gamers hands regardless of crypto problems. AMD have clearly been shipping f all.

Comparable cards in the price range($600) are the GTX1080ti and RTX2080, in which the 3080 is looking really likely to surpass both during its time frame. And to be honest, the vast majority of cards are not selling for similar prices, they are selling for way more.

If you want demand to go, we need equivalent cards to the mid end, eg the circa 200 quid cards. Right now, they simply just don't exist in the market, so everybody is just upping their budgets.

H3llR4iser

JoyPad wrote: »

Does this survey include all computers where Steam is installed, or just computers where people are actually playing games?
I wonder how many people have Steam installed on computers simply to use the chat feature or browse things (e.g. work computers, not gaming PCs).

IIRC, it's actually an "opt-in", it's not data that Steam collects automatically. I've been prompted a few times with "Steam would like to conduct a survey..." dialogs in the past - interestingly, on the laptop much more often than on my main rig (as such, I'm partly responsible for the high ranking of the 1050Ti

).

There's bound to be a certain amount of the situations you mention, but their impact on the overall figure would be mostly felt in binary-type stats, e.g. the Intel/AMD distribution is definitely skewed, to some extent, by laptops and possibly people putting stuff like their old 2500k to secondary PC/internet rig use.

When it comes to GPUs...the data is much more organic in nature; When you got products literally flying off the online "shelves" the moment they're stocked, they'd be bound to show up in it if they were put to their intended use.

While it could be argued that the 3080 and 3090 figures might not be too unusual for components that are indeed highly expensive, the poor showing of the 3060Ti and most tellingly, the fact 3070s and the entire Radeon 6xxx series not being anywhere, despite also being impossible to buy, simply tells that these end up somewhere else.

Confused11811

A big drop of RX 3060 on mindfactory.de overnight. Currently 4 models in stock from €599 to €650.

Overpriced for what they are and you'd need mailbox.de to freight forward but probably better priced than most 2nd hand ones on adverts and eBay. A couple of cheaper rtx 2060's where available too , just a 2060 super at €580 left now

Hopefully a sign of more retail stock coming in.

cherryghost

JoyPad wrote: »

Does this survey include all computers where Steam is installed, or just computers where people are actually playing games?
I wonder how many people have Steam installed on computers simply to use the chat feature or browse things (e.g. work computers, not gaming PCs).

Where steam is installed, and where you have opted in to the hardware survey (its not mandatory)

JoyPad

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Interesting bit of data that sort of demonstrates how absurd the market is at the moment, from the Steam Hardware Survey:

Does this survey include all computers where Steam is installed, or just computers where people are actually playing games?
I wonder how many people have Steam installed on computers simply to use the chat feature or browse things (e.g. work computers, not gaming PCs).

H3llR4iser

Interesting bit of data that sort of demonstrates how absurd the market is at the moment, from the Steam Hardware Survey:

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

The RTX 3080 is the first of the "next gen" cards, with a grand total of 0.74% of share. Well behind relics from the Jurassic like GTX 750Ti and even barely functional stuff like GT 1030s. The 3060Ti has about the 0.33% and 3090s are 0.29%. The 3070 doesn't even feature in the list - as absent are all of the new AMD cards.

As generic as the Steam Hardware Survey can be, the fact that two entire lines of GPU that sell out the moment they're stocked, regardless of the price, are basically nonexistent in it puts the "unprecedented demand from gamers" discussion to bed. The majority of these cards end up in mining rigs - or gatering dust in some scalper's bedroom.

BloodBath

He would be better off trying ebay.

The average sale price of an rx 5700 (non xt) is around $1000 on us ebay atm.

I'd sell mine in a heartbeat for that price if I could get my hands on a new card.

If I'm gonna overpay for a new card I'm gonna overcharge for the old one to make up for it.

Keyzer

Homelander wrote: »

There is a lad on Adverts that has completely lost his mind with the GPU situation.

Has an RX580 up for €750. GTX1660 for €650. €220 for an old R9 380.

Previously had a RX480 up for €300, and when he got zero offers he made a new ad and raised the price to €400.

Feel sorry for him, seems he went out and bought a load of cards for inflated prices and somehow thinks he can now make huge profit on the already inflated prices he paid.

I have zero sympathy for this person.

BuCkoTroN

Homelander wrote: »

There is a lad on Adverts that has completely lost his mind with the GPU situation.

Has an RX580 up for €750. GTX1660 for €650. €220 for an old R9 380.

Previously had a RX480 up for €300, and when he got zero offers he made a new ad and raised the price to €400.

Feel sorry for him, seems he went out and bought a load of cards for inflated prices and somehow thinks he can now make huge profit on the already inflated prices he paid.

Absolute mindlessness going on here!

Some people just have no shame.

Frankly I am glad that I traded my RTX 2080TI for a 3080 with cash when I did last year.

You would think Nvidia would cop on, this always happens with every significant generational leap.......

Infini

Sneak wrote: »

After finally managing to bag a 3090 on Amazon Italy now I can't for the life of me find a 1000 watt psu. Looks to be just as hard to get one

Yeah I had trouble replacing my own 1200w psu back in November due to a psu failure. Managed to get one after a few weeks but all PC tech is hard to grab right now due to the pandemic throttling freight capacity as well as a huge surge in consumer demand due to boredom, extra capital and a cryptoboom.

Spear

MidlanderMan wrote: »

Anyone know of Nvidia cards are able to use Smart Access Memory on AMD boards yet?

It's in progress. The drivers for it were out last week, and it now needs appropriate BIOS and VBIOS support from motherboard and GPU manufacturers respectively.

MidlanderMan

Anyone know of Nvidia cards are able to use Smart Access Memory on AMD boards yet?

H3llR4iser

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

The worrying thing is that there seem to be genuine offers of 500 on those RX 580 8Gb cards.

Yep, some people have been without a GPU for a while. I do know at least two who rushed to sell their 20-series GPUs before the the 30s were released, fearing they'd drop in value next to zero. Makes sense others are in the same situation and are trying to get something relatively decent, to at least get their rigs going again, which in turns gives more bargaining power to the scalpers.

On one hand, it's really funny because they called me "doomsayer" when I basically predicted all this. Same thing happened here, on the Playstation forum (or maybe it was the Xbox one), when I tried to warn a few well-meaning parents that getting the console(s) for Christmas would've been nigh on impossible.

K.O.Kiki

The worrying thing is that there seem to be genuine offers of 500 on those RX 580 8Gb cards.

ZeitgeistGlee

Homelander wrote: »

Feel sorry for him, seems he went out and bought a load of cards for inflated prices and somehow thinks he can now make huge profit on the already inflated prices he paid.

I don't, people like him are the reason the rest of us can't even get older cards as a stopgap without getting scalped. Probably bought Gamestop stock at $300 too.

Homelander

There is a lad on Adverts that has completely lost his mind with the GPU situation.

Has an RX580 up for €750. GTX1660 for €650. €220 for an old R9 380.

Previously had a RX480 up for €300, and when he got zero offers he made a new ad and raised the price to €400.

Feel sorry for him, seems he went out and bought a load of cards for inflated prices and somehow thinks he can now make huge profit on the already inflated prices he paid.

Luck100

ZeitgeistGlee wrote: »

Are the prices any better with those alerts or is it just a case of being able to actually be able to buy?

Some of the prices are reasonable, but I have yet to get anything in my basket. Never mind getting to checkout.

ZeitgeistGlee

Are the prices any better with those alerts or is it just a case of being able to actually be able to buy?

harmless

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Today was my first full day of having the discord open and Twitter notificatios on. I found that on about 75% of notifications I got a partalert discord bing on my laptop before a part alert Twitter notification on my mobile.

Hadn't seen stockdrop I'll have to check them out

No joy for me today, all out of my price range but I was training my reflexes

I would frequently get the notification on telegram on my phone first but have had more luck with discord on desktop when it came to buying. My phone is a bit old and slow though.

Retr0gamer

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Today was my first full day of having the discord open and Twitter notificatios on. I found that on about 75% of notifications I got a partalert discord bing on my laptop before a part alert Twitter notification on my mobile.

Hadn't seen stockdrop I'll have to check them out

No joy for me today, all out of my price range but I was training my reflexes

I'll have to try on desktop. Have been on mobile.

Today was pretty slim pickings.

Tomtom364

corvus4906 wrote: »

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I followed the Discord servers but never got anything.

Today was my first full day of having the discord open and Twitter notificatios on. I found that on about 75% of notifications I got a partalert discord bing on my laptop before a part alert Twitter notification on my mobile.

Hadn't seen stockdrop I'll have to check them out

No joy for me today, all out of my price range but I was training my reflexes

harmless

corvus4906 wrote: »

I've been lucky enough to get a few 30-series cards...

Probably 8 successful orders... but I cancelled some as later order beat them on cost, or they were a better brand.
Actually bought 3 and they were all delivered.

In case it helps, here's what I did and it seemed to make me have better odds compared to what i read on Discord:

Use twitter primarily: Follow PartAlert and StockDrops
Have notifications On for Mobile. Be signed into all the Amazons in Europe, and have card and address already hooked up so you just need click 'buy it now'. I used a Revolut card tied to my account that didn't have money on it so i was never charged immediately.

Then when phone buzzes... click notification It'll bring you to twitter, click the image to the amazon page and click buy it now. Just do that as fast as you can. Don't even bother looking at the price/location/seller...With Amazon you can cancel your order after it's made if you don't like what you've just bought.

I followed the Discord servers but never got anything.

That's good going. Do you have loads of PCs or are you helping secure cards for friends?
This is the way to do it imo it also worked for me.
I got a 3060ti that I canceled while it was in transit, it was a zotac and I really didn't like the cooler. A 3080 for myself and another 3060ti I sold for RRP to a friend.
I have mroe free time than they do so I figured why not snipe a card for them.

corvus4906

I've been lucky enough to get a few 30-series cards...

Probably 8 successful orders... but I cancelled some as later order beat them on cost, or they were a better brand.
Actually bought 3 and they were all delivered.

In case it helps, here's what I did and it seemed to make me have better odds compared to what i read on Discord:

Use twitter primarily: Follow PartAlert and StockDrops
Have notifications On for Mobile. Be signed into all the Amazons in Europe, and have card and address already hooked up so you just need click 'buy it now'. I used a Revolut card tied to my account that didn't have money on it so i was never charged immediately.

Then when phone buzzes... click notification It'll bring you to twitter, click the image to the amazon page and click buy it now. Just do that as fast as you can. Don't even bother looking at the price/location/seller...With Amazon you can cancel your order after it's made if you don't like what you've just bought.

I followed the Discord servers but never got anything.

Tomtom364

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You literally don't have time to check that if you want an RTX card. If you check if it will ship the card is gone

That's what I mean though I don't have to actively check it. My amazon account is signed in with my preferred address pre selected. Its right there in red printed text next to the add to cart/buy now buttons.
If I see red text as I go to click the button I know its a no go.

Retr0gamer

Tomtom364 wrote: »

does it not warn you before purchase that it wont ship to Ireland? I've seen that before. but never had an order placed to later be told they wont ship it to Ireland. Admittedly not on RTX cards yet as I haven't got a UK one into basket

You literally don't have time to check that if you want an RTX card. If you check if it will ship the card is gone