buffalobilly wrote: » Lambs a good price at the moment how long do people think it will last
CJhaughey wrote: » Welsh farmers are finding it difficult to get meat out since Brexit so as long as those difficulties last I think it will hold.
karlitob wrote: » For the ignorant among us, what is the normal going rate per kilo?
White Clover wrote: » Lads, there's no fortune to be made at €7.00/kg. To put things in perspective, it is €20/ lamb more than this time last year. On 200 lambs it is €4000, Meal, Fertilizer and Diesel all gone up in price.
karlitob wrote: » Nonetheless, that’s a 27% increase in price. Did meal, fertiliser and diesel go up by the same amount? I know diesel didn’t but as I understand it, meal and fertiliser can fluctuate quite a bit too.
Green farmer wrote: » Yes, last year was good for sheep farmers, but its coming up from a very low base. Even now the average sheep farmer only makes a fraction of the average industrial wage.
karlitob wrote: » Understood. It doesn’t answer what the increase in diesel/meal/fertiliser is. And also begs the question of what that fraction is. Not to be too pedantic - average wage and average industrial wage are different as it’s obviously related to industry rather than farming. What is the average wage of the full time sheep farmer in Ireland? I think this report shows average sheep farmer income is €16500 in 2017 with direct costs of production significantly lower (-6%) while overhead costs of production grew modestly (+2%). In my absence of knowledge about farming, clearly a family can’t survive on that since it’s less than social welfare. I would presume that sheep farmers are not full time and supplement their incomes elsewhere or else they are small holdings with no mortgage no family and happy to rear sheep.https://www.teagasc.ie/rural-economy/rural-economy/agri-food-business/agriculture-in-ireland/
White Clover wrote: » Between 15% and 20% increase for all 3. As you can see, the "extra money" is small on top of already small money. There'll be no farms bought and paid for out of sheep this year!
karlitob wrote: » Diesel hasn’t gone up 15-20% in the past year. It’s barely gone up ⅓ of 1%https://www.statista.com/statistics/603713/diesel-fuel-prices-ireland/ Do you have any stats on the other two. Did the 15-20% increase occur due to Brexit?
Green farmer wrote: » You've got a fairly accurate picture there. Theres not enough money to be made out of it to make a full time living. That's why alot of lads only do it part time, however there are also lads who it would be their only form of income. I read the average industrial wage is €40k a year, so sheep farmers are along way away from that. Even as part time, when you work out what your marking on a hourly basis, it would in many cases be minimum wage territory or less. Whatever you can make out of it is hard earned.
White Clover wrote: » Diesel was sub 50c per litre, its over 60 now. Fertilizer, example 18:6:12 gone from €315 to €380 per tonne Meal, can't remember what it was last year but it is gone up substantially.
karlitob wrote: » Interesting. Why has it gone up?
leoch wrote: » Apparently 7.30 plus pay the transport for next week
J.O. Farmer wrote: » All diesel has gone up, it's just there's so much tax on road diesel a 10c increase in diesel isn't so noticeable over a year whereas agri diesel a bigger proportion of the price is the actual diesel.
karlitob wrote: » I put stats up on diesel price increase. What I found didn’t suggest a 25% increase. But happy to incorrect. It’s the other stuff I had wondered about.
kk.man wrote: » At the pumps last April the price of auto was generally 1.02 ish its now 1.30 ish.
Dinzee Conlee wrote: » Where is this leoch?
karlitob wrote: » Not sure what pumps you’re going to but national average prices according the the cso show that price of diesel is 12% less in Dec 20 than Dec 19.
kk.man wrote: » I bought auto diseal last April for 0.99c from the depot and price of oil was around 35 dollars a barrel. Price at pumps was 1.03 ish. That's fact... CSO is a bit like teagasc
karlitob wrote: » I’m not gonna get into explaining what an average is. Clearly you didn’t get to all depots - just the one you went to. Whatever way you cut diesel, oil, petrol is cheaper now and has not increased the 30% that you say it has. I know nothing about teasasc. Are you trying to intimate that the cso can’t be trusted?
White Clover wrote: » Kk man has given you his figures, they are real life actual figures that are reflected in his bank account. Going down a rabbit hole quoting averages for this and that is nonsense. There's a poster on this forum that has a very good saying, " if everyone was average, we'd all be going around with less than 2 legs"
karlitob wrote: » Well we weren’t talking about him and his ‘real-life’. The OP spoke about a 27% increase in price of lamb and this lad started mouthing off that this wasn’t a great increase in take-home because there was similar increases in diesel, meal and fertiliser. Not personal increases for him - but all round increases in costs. We weren’t taking about him. When asked for figures to back up his claims he quotes a price that no one can verify. Clearly if his price was x then someone else’s was higher. This lad isn’t the marker that everyone goes off. I’m sure some other lad today will get 7.5€ a kilo and someone else will get 6,5€ a kilo - giving an average of 7€ a kilo. It’s this lad who’s trying to say the cso can’t count without anything to support that position. As if his view of the price of diesel once last April somewhere in ireland is more insightful that the cso who can check the price of all diesel in all pumps at all times for the past 50 years in ireland. But let’s listen to this guy and his personal experience. There’s another lad on another forum that also has a great quote - “everyone thinks their opinion is worthwhile but no one cares about your opinion unless it’s backed with facts”.
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