The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

wicklowstevo wrote: »

surely your not claiming that Collins was a member of sf as it exists now ? . sure they were only started in the late 60s early 70s ??

even the most basic understanding of Irish history shows that

I'm not sure where he is going with that either.

Sure, Collins was a vicious terrorist as well which certainly sinks him for me, whatever about Sinn Fein. Granted a sainthood by the Irish that is repulsive.

The current 'Sinn Fein' regards itself technically as 'Provisional Sinn Fein' though doesnt it ? Or does it ? Very hard to tell with them. And is still very much the 'politcal wing' of the IRA at the top of its command structure. And still bombing and murdering, despite the 'cease fire'.

wicklowstevo wrote: »

your trying to equate your terrorist organisation with the war of independence

a flat out blatant lie that you've been busted for before if im not mistaken

How is an opinion based on fact a lie?
Collins was a murderer and a terrorist. Its historical fact. He's just one you happen to like. After a united Ireland we might see a portrait of Bobby Sands or Martin McGuinness hanging up

McMurphy

wicklowstevo wrote: »

your trying to equate your terrorist organisation with the war of independence

a flat out blatant lie that you've been busted for before if im not mistaken

Are you going to try and tell me that Michael Collins was some kind of pacifist, who wasn't a member of a clandestine guerilla army, who did not think twice about killing/bombing their way through Ireland to achieve their political aims?

Collins men were responsible for the disappearance of how many Irish men and women?

Yes, I can gather you're a Fine Gael card carrying member steve, but you'll not be sanitising or whitewashing history with this poster.

Sorry about that chief.

As predicted a lot of uncivil and irate comments from the same folk got upset about a poll came out the other day. Check under the bed folks...there might be a lad selling An Phoblacht.

McMurphy

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

I'm not sure where he is going with that either.

You do know where "I was going with it" you posted something about Sinn Fein being racist 100 years ago, in the Sinn Fein thread - which discusses the Sinn Fein of the present day.

You were shown how Sinn Fein from the 1920s was the Sinn Fein Michael Collins, much revered soldier and freedom fighter and Irish patriot was a high ranking member of that particular Sinn Fein, and by your own article, did that mean the last two Taoiseach hung portraits of a man who was a member of a racist or xenophobic party on their wall?

There was nothing cryptic about it. You knew fine well you posted a brainfart, your lack of a witty reply clarified that for sure.

wicklowstevo

James Brown wrote: »

How is an opinion based on fact a lie?
Collins was a murderer and a terrorist. Its historical fact. He's just one you happen to like. After a united Ireland we might see a portrait of Bobby Sands or Martin McGuinness hanging up

Collins died in 1922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_(Irish_leader)

sf was founded on 17/1/1970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin

you might as well claim brian boru voted for Gerry adams

James Brown wrote: »

Collins was a murderer and a terrorist. Its historical fact.

Absolutely. A vile man.

James Brown wrote: »

After a united Ireland we might see a portrait of Bobby Sands or Martin McGuinness hanging up

While nonsense like pictures of Collins is gotten away with, the idea of Sands or McG being similarly displayed is the very reason a UI is unlikely to impossible. Only a change of attitude in condemning those terrorists can show a true interest in a UI.

wicklowstevo wrote: »

Collins died in 1922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_(Irish_leader)

sf was founded on 17/1/1970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin

you might as well claim brian boru voted for Gerry adams

Are you responding by mistake?
The comment i made was about MC being a murderer and a terrorist not a shinner or member of PBP.

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Absolutely. A vile man.

While nonsense like pictures of Collins is gotten away with, the idea of Sands or McG being similarly displayed is the very reason a UI is unlikely to impossible. Only a change of attitude in condemning those terrorists can show a true interest in a UI.

Like Collins they are heroes to some and after a UI when the dust settles they'll likely receive similar accolades and such.
Collins killing for the cause was legitimised by time and a romanticised look back.
The rising lads were far from popular at the time.

James Brown wrote: »

Like Collins they are heroes to some and after a UI when the dust settles they'll likely receive similar accolades and such.
Collins killing for the cause was legitimised by time and a romanticised look back.
The rising lads were far from popular at the time.

Thats a preposterous suggestion. There was no sizeable 'British' population former victims of Collins and Co in the Free State. A UI includes by definition a great number of people, the direct victims of provos. It would be insensitive in the extreme, and a surprising and counterproductive attitude from anyone interested in a UI.

markodaly wrote: »

The lower IQ types are the new core vote for SF.

Nice. Attack the public because they decide to vote in an election didn't go your way. How childish and insulting.

McMurphy

wicklowstevo wrote: »

Collins died in 1922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_(Irish_leader)

sf was founded on 17/1/1970

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinn_Féin

you might as well claim brian boru voted for Gerry adams

What has that got to do with Collins engaging in Guerrilla warfare?

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Thats a preposterous suggestion. There was no sizeable 'British' population former victims of Collins and Co in the Free State. A UI includes by definition a great number of people, the direct victims of provos. It would be insensitive in the extreme, and a surprising and counterproductive attitude from anyone interested in a UI.

Who mentioned 'British'?
Collins killed his fair share of Irish people. Also there was a civil war. I'd expect many victims and their families remained in the country :rolleyes:

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Thats a preposterous suggestion. There was no sizeable 'British' population former victims of Collins and Co in the Free State. A UI includes by definition a great number of people, the direct victims of provos. It would be insensitive in the extreme, and a surprising and counterproductive attitude from anyone interested in a UI.

There isn't a hope in hell of either a picture or statue of Sands or McGuinness during my lifetime.

There won't be a united Ireland either until an apology is made to the unionist community by Sinn Fein.

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

They tryed to get some blame at SF for this.

Helen came onto radio this morning and lied.

Garda Commissioner then has to come out and state what he said yesterday about the far left was bull****

More votes for Sinn Fein. Thanks lads

They had to nobble Holohan before he jumped on the bandwagon.

RandomViewer

James Brown wrote: »

Nice. Attack the public because they decide to vote in an election didn't go your way. How childish and insulting.

Its seems to be the FG way, blame the victims for getting HepC, Cervical cancer, Covid, blame the kids for the nuns abuse, blame SF and SDs for government fiasco

Whatisthisnow

blanch152 wrote: »

There isn't a hope in hell of either a picture or statue of Sands or McGuinness during my lifetime.

There won't be a united Ireland either until an apology is made to the unionist community by Sinn Fein.

Why not, if theres a vote on it from both sides and a united Ireland is agreed, not much the DUP & co can do
The same way they could do nothing in stopping the GFA

blanch152 wrote: »

There isn't a hope in hell of either a picture or statue of Sands or McGuinness during my lifetime.

There won't be a united Ireland either until an apology is made to the unionist community by Sinn Fein.

Quit living in the past and holding on to hate. The public will decide in a democratic process that's thanks in no small part to people like the IRA.

blanch152 wrote: »

They had to nobble Holohan before he jumped on the bandwagon.

So he wasn't involved? Why constantly lie?

FrancieBrady

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Why not, if theres a vote on it from both sides and a united Ireland is agreed, not much the DUP & co can do
The same way they could do nothing in stopping the GFA

That would still be wrong with some of our partitionists...it's a qualified majority when it comes to Unionism...can't be asking them to be democrats and do what they agreed to.

walshb

Can someone clear up something for me.

Are SF still linked to Paddy Holohan or have they officially given him the boot?

And if they haven’t disassociated themselves with him, can we get first unanimous agreement on this thread, that they absolutely should disassociate from him?!

James Brown wrote: »

a democratic process that's thanks in no small part to people like the IRA.

Jaysus. The mind bend to actually write that, let along believe it.

Is anyone aware of psychology studies on what happens to the minds to people really believing the SF/IRA dogma ? Is it the same as QAnon, scientology, or other delusional beliefs ? Would SF/IRA hardliners diagnose similar to cult members for example ?

Eric Cartman

walshb wrote: »

Can someone clear up something for me.

Are SF still linked to Paddy Holohan or have they officially given him the boot?

And if they haven’t disassociated themselves with him, can we get first unanimous agreement on this thread, that they absolutely should disassociate from him?!

publicly suspended but still internally associated.

He has espoused anti lockdown views, hatred of women, racist views against Leo varadkar.

so in essence he's right there with the SF core vote and will just be quietly welcomed back in when its all quiet again.

walshb

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Jaysus. The mind bend to actually write that, let along believe it.

Is anyone aware of psychology studies on what happens to the minds to people really believing the SF/IRA dogma ? Is it the same as QAnon, scientology, or other delusional beliefs ? Would SF/IRA hardliners diagnose similar to cult members for example ?

There would be no peace up North without the work of SF, and whether or not agrees with the IRA, they absolutely played a part in bringing peace to the North.

RandomViewer

Eric Cartman wrote: »

publicly suspended but still internally associated.

He has espoused anti lockdown views, hatred of women, racist views against Leo varadkar.

so in essence he's right there with the SF core vote and will just be quietly welcomed back in when its all quiet again.

So yellow pack Michael Lowry?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

publicly suspended but still internally associated.

He has espoused anti lockdown views, hatred of women, racist views against Leo varadkar.

so in essence he's right there with the SF core vote and will just be quietly welcomed back in when its all quiet again.

Eh, you missed his welcome back, it’s happened already, they nominated him for mayor of South Dublin.

And there are a few on here who think he was right in everything he said.

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Jaysus. The mind bend to actually write that, let along believe it.

Is anyone aware of psychology studies on what happens to the minds to people really believing the SF/IRA dogma ? Is it the same as QAnon, scientology, or other delusional beliefs ? Would SF/IRA hardliners diagnose similar to cult members for example ?

Nothing hardline about acknowledgement of the facts. SF and in their way the IRA among others, helped obtain a democratic voice and equality for all despite inaction from FF/FG and oppression doled out by unionists, Tories and the BA.

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Why not, if theres a vote on it from both sides and a united Ireland is agreed, not much the DUP & co can do
The same way they could do nothing in stopping the GFA

What I mean is that in order to get a majority yes vote, that is one of the steps Sinn Fein will have to take - a genuine apology for the work of the PIRA. Without that, a vote has no chance.

Posters here, living in the past, don’t get that reality.

blanch152 wrote: »

Eh, you missed his welcome back, it’s happened already, they nominated him for mayor of South Dublin.

And there are a few on here who think he was right in everything he said.

Quote one.
You shouldn't be allowed peddle these lies. Mystery unnamed people who back your claims. Enough already.