Benicetomonty wrote: » Days like this would lead me to ponder if golf and outdoor sport will really have to wait until April 5th to reopen. The 'stupid s#$*' mentioned (of which Id wager there was v little to begin with) would be completely mitigated by clubhouses and restaurants remaining shut (and there have been no serious campaigns, from golfers at least, to open either) so players will literally drive to the course, play and drive home. They may stop for petrol and or groceries, but they have to do that anyway. The 5k restriction is also looking increasingly more ridiculous. So very arbitrary and almost comically unmanageable; one can only feel desperately sorry for the guards trying to decide who's lying and who isnt. In this weather, people are going to meet up. They're going to go to parks and beaches. And, in too many parts of Dublin, when the population density is what it is, the Botanic Gardens, the Phoenix Park, Bull Island, Donabate Beach etc are going to absolutely jammed even if nobody is breaching their 5k limit. And that's the problem right there. The safe and logical solution is to open outdoor sport. Opening tennis, golf etc will have the effect of filtering people away from these places with zero or negligible additional risk of transmissions. If anything, they will be decreased. If the 5k has to be extended or dismissed altogether to accomodate this, then it should be.
benny79 wrote: » Very good post. I agree totally. As a Irish nation we tend to moan and give out about a lot of things yet do fcuk all about it..people's mental health is been pushed to the limit.. yes there is a dangerous virus, but some of the restrictions are just daft! Even some of the guards aren't arsed. Look at the amount of people that marched yesterday I was shocked at the amount! men, women and children. A few bad elements gave it bad press but it reminded me of when people marched against water charges ( I wasn't there by the way) but what I have noticed is people are arguing and turning on each other over this virus and we really have a shocking government and sadly know one better to replace them!
Raisins wrote: » It depends on how you view unfiltered nonsense that not only should golf and all sports return because that’s the proportionate response but that it’s not returning because the State doesn’t know how to interpret covid modelling and that the restrictions are illogical. That type of opinion deserves to be treated with contempt for a lot of reasons that are obvious - it’s the basis upon which all of the far right conspiracies on the virus are based. Thousands of Irish people have died from this virus. If these people have a secret key to the models they should contact their TD.
TXPTGR1 wrote: » Just to spell it out for the slow learners there are people losing family members , jobs, businesses,struggling to pay debts etc Put the inability to play a game in perspective and stop acting like spoiled entitled teenagers- if I heard some of the whinging I’m seeing hear out of my 10 year old they’d be getting the back of my hand
Benicetomonty wrote: » The problem is, none of these awful circumstances will be worsened by opening golf courses. Not one of them. Therefore, it becomes imposition of certain rules foqt the sake of it. And I do have a problem with that. A justifiable problem, not an immoral or unethical one.
Benicetomonty wrote: » The problem is, none of these awful circumstances will be worsened by opening golf courses. Not one of them. Therefore, it becomes imposition of certain rules for the sake of it.
TXPTGR1 wrote: » Actually people losing loved ones could be worsened by golf course reopening due to other behaviours around golf People can close their eyes and put fingers in their ears and stomp their feet all they want to try and ignore this buts a stone cold fact
thecomedian wrote: » It was an opinion that differs from yours.
benny79 wrote: » You do realise this is a golf forum right? So people are going to discuss golf. People know about the virus. sure I know people who have had family members die from it and still think some of the restrictions are daft. We are going to have to live with it. Doesn't mean we cant open courses and other outdoor sports in a safe environment. Small businesses too. That woman that opened her salon during the week, do you think she doesn't know about the virus? I'm sure she done that out of desperation. I'm also sure she had measures in place to make it as safe as possible. My job is still opened and has been all through the pandemic. People know the risks and it's up to individuals as adults to take the necessary precautions. Same way people can choose to smoke even though it can cause cancer.
Raisins wrote: » How can you set out that type of claim so baldly. That’s not a fact it’s your opinion.
Raisins wrote: » Not really it’s a lie. Truth = nphet is an expert emergency group which design and interpret the models based on all of the data and advises the government which imposes the restrictions. (Rightly or wrongly). Thousands of Irish people have died. Thousands more would die if there were no restrictions in place. In this world you argue whether a restriction on golf is proportionate which is a matter of opinion. For the record I think I they should open when the cases get to low levels if they think it’s relatively safe. That’s my opinion. Lie = there’s no reason for these restrictions at all. The government doesn’t understand the modelling. They’re illogical and serve no purpose whatsoever. In this world the restrictions are actually a massive incompetent mistake which achieve nothing.
TXPTGR1 wrote: » I blame social media and forums like this tbh There’s a lot of thickos out there that think they no better than people who have spent years studying immunology and epedemiology Back in the day they had no outlet for their I’ll informed nonsense but now....Displays? a massive lack of resilience, if not getting out for a round or 2 is driving people this demented.Would? love to see how these people would have managed the famine, probable would have spent it going around telling people their just a bit hungry nothing to worry about
Golfhead65 wrote: » I've heard enough bull, I'm just back from a walk which is perceived to be OK to do and in a small grassy space I passed no bigger than a golf Green I estimate there was 60-70 people sitting around on blankets and chairs and not an eyelid is batted but come on here and say that golf should be open where you have a max of 4 people in an area of 500 yds by 100 and all of a sudden we are the root cause of this so called continuing pandemic. Let's call a spade a spade, for every person sticking to the draconian rules in place by our inept government and nphet there are 2 not bothering that is the truth of all this, lockdown Irish style doesnt work
FixdePitchmark wrote: » It is rare I agree with any of your posts - but I would have to agree at this stage the lockdown - is an Irish lockdown. Was told of companies open - pubs open (Irish sort of open) and more lads playing golf.
Russman wrote: » This exactly. For whatever reason our first reaction to any rule is “how can I get round that” whereas some other countries think “how do I comply with that” I don’t think anyone would claim golf isn’t one of the safest things we could be doing, but it’s about optics as well. I want golf back as much as the next golfer but I can see how the whinging and moaning will increase if it gets the nod ahead of certain other aspects of life.
FixdePitchmark wrote: » Golf (even from my own friends) is still considered elitist. We went under the radar the last time (till golfgate). But as the mood has changed. Imagine 1000s of people walking past dodging each other - then looking at lads playing golf in an open field to themselves.
Seve OB wrote: » Sorry fix I don’t buy that. Golf is not elitist in any way shape or form. Sure don’t you play it Sure there are a few elitist clubs, but there are elite private member bars in town and elite seats in Croke park and lansdowne road, but there is plenty of opportunity for everyone in society to get involved if they want to without costing a ridiculous fortune. And if the 1000s of people dodging each other in the park as they look over the fence at the golfers have a problem, we’ll they can always play themselves.
FixdePitchmark wrote: » Honestly if you are going to call people "thickos" - have a look at your own grammar and writing first
Seve OB wrote: » What about the optics of public parks being open. Nobody is listening to the whinging of (and it’s not just golfers doing the whinging) people giving out about groups congregating everywhere and parks being over run. So I don’t buy the optics excuse.
