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WandaVision - Disney+ (Spoilers)

Agent Coulson

Moved up the schedule and will drop now in Spring 2020 instead of 2021.

My guess it will launch when Disney+ hits Europe in March.

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kerplun k

Poor Sparky. It’s a shame he had to get caught up in all this.

Lithium93_

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Yeah she seems to be pushing Wanda to her limit to test her and see what makes her tick. I'm not convinced that she's the villian, just a neutral-evil superpowered witch intrigued/spooked by sensing an impossible release of power and possibly an imbalance/shift in the world. At the end she seemed more disappointed in Wanda for what she sees has her wasting her powers. She may end up becoming a mentor?

Well in the comics

Agatha is a sometimes mentor to Wanda

, so you might be onto something.

pjohnson

gmisk wrote: »

Well she did turn her coven and her mother into prunes....not to mention kidnapping the kids (even if they aren't real) oh and killing the dog...so I am edging towards bad

Good point re. Sparky.

No coming back from that. #TeamSparky

gmisk

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I don't think Agatha is bad as such. She sees what Wanda is capable of and thinks she is incredible dangerous. She sees Wanda as the bad one.

Well she did turn her coven and her mother into prunes....not to mention kidnapping the kids (even if they aren't real) oh and killing the dog...so I am edging towards bad

Busi_Girl08

Deleted User wrote: »

In relation to Agatha being good or bad, it really felt like she was putting on an act of being evil. Everything she seems to have done in the show seems to be almost therapeutic for Wanda. She's just got unusual means.

Yeah she seems to be pushing Wanda to her limit to test her and see what makes her tick. I'm not convinced that she's the villian, just a neutral-evil superpowered witch intrigued/spooked by sensing an impossible release of power and possibly an imbalance/shift in the world. At the end she seemed more disappointed in Wanda for what she sees has her wasting her powers. She may end up becoming a mentor?

nothing

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I'm guessing it's a fake video Hayward created.

Did it show that? I thought it showed her blowing the doors, which in the new context isn't a big deal, and her going into the lab, again in the new context means less, but did it actually show her taking the body parts? I'll have to rewatch that episode, but I think it was just clever manipulation of the footage of her implying she stole the body. If it did show her actually taking the body, could hayward have used a skrull to fake it?

AlmightyCushion

kerplun k wrote: »

whoa, whoa, whoa
But the CCTV showed Wanda taking the body.....
If that’s not, ye know, who the feck is that in Westview walking around?

So, is he back?

I'm guessing it's a fake video Hayward created.

AlmightyCushion

Deleted User wrote: »

In relation to Agatha being good or bad, it really felt like she was putting on an act of being evil. Everything she seems to have done in the show seems to be almost therapeutic for Wanda. She's just got unusual means.

I don't think Agatha is bad as such. She sees what Wanda is capable of and thinks she is incredible dangerous. She sees Wanda as the bad one.

Agent Coulson

kerplun k wrote: »

whoa, whoa, whoa
But the CCTV showed Wanda taking the body.....
If that’s not, ye know, who the feck is that in Westview walking around?

So, is he back?

Or Hayward faked that CCTV.

[Deleted User]

kerplun k wrote: »

whoa, whoa, whoa
But the CCTV showed Wanda taking the body.....
If that’s not, ye know, who the feck is that in Westview walking around?

So, is he back?

She's bonded with the mindstone so maybe she is bonded with his mind? So she could output the image of his mind in terms of psychology minus the memories.

Agent Coulson

Maybe the finale next week Wanda sets off a chain of events that works through the next few series and films that ends with Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

kerplun k

whoa, whoa, whoa
But the CCTV showed Wanda taking the body.....
If that’s not, ye know, who the feck is that in Westview walking around?

So, is he back?

pjohnson

flazio wrote: »

Re characters from another universe.
Maybe there's more to this little Spider-man easter egg then we thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7R8dLLKL6g

We all just assumed somebody thought that JK Simmons was irreplaceable so don't replace him but what if it is some first hint to the walls between different Marvel universes breaking down.

Its almost like the multiverse means different versions of JK Simmons JJ Jameson around. Or maybe its just Marvel trolling again.

If the Fox-Verse is a mess god help anyone tryna accept the Sony-verse.

flazio

Re characters from another universe.
Maybe there's more to this little Spider-man easter egg then we thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7R8dLLKL6g

We all just assumed somebody thought that JK Simmons was irreplaceable so don't replace him but what if it is some first hint to the walls between different Marvel universes breaking down.

[Deleted User]

In relation to Agatha being good or bad, it really felt like she was putting on an act of being evil. Everything she seems to have done in the show seems to be almost therapeutic for Wanda. She's just got unusual means.

GSPfan

Zardoz wrote: »

The best episode of the series by a distance.

They could have made 2 episodes out of that content and cut one or 2 of the earlier goofball sitcom episodes.

While i have no real issue with any of the show so far I do think the double black and white style episodes at the start was maybe too much. Cutting one of them and adding another at the end would have got my vote.

Penn

pjohnson wrote: »

Trolling fans of X-Men was an interesting tactic for Marvel to immediately use.

I dont think you will like multiverse much if you are expecting all timelines to be seamless...theres time fudges in the MCU if people want to get into technicalities.

Not seamless, but it should have some semblance of internal logic to it, same way the time travel of Endgame did. But the Fox X-Men logic is completely f*cky on its own without trying to incorporate it into the MCU in any meaningful way (bar maybe quick cameos or references).

Trying to take the Fox X-Men and history from the previous movies and actually fold them into the MCU would be a disaster imo, and not worth the hassle.

It's why I never thought Evan Peters was the Fox version of Quicksilver entering the MCU. It just didn't make any sense. It was a way of having Quicksilver in the show without Aaron Taylor Johnson (again, I'm guessing he didn't want to return unless he shows up in the last few episodes which is still possible though given they've really limited even showing him footage of him from Age of Ultron I'd say looking unlikely), while also playing into the TV trope of recasting an actor, and surprising the fans at the same time.

The White Wolf

pjohnson wrote: »

Trolling fans of X-Men was an interesting tactic for Marvel to immediately use..

I will hold out hope for next week. The more I think about it sure, Wanda's power origin makes sense if she's "just" a witch, but it doesn't answer how Pietro/Peter was granted his.

If I had to guess, Agatha has got some things right but not everything.

joficeduns1

The emotional beats hit in this episode were phenomenal.

pjohnson

Trolling fans of X-Men was an interesting tactic for Marvel to immediately use.

Penn wrote: »

I'd much prefer if it's just a nod to the audience. I've said it before but they can't bring in the Fox X-men. Everything about them is so muddled with different actors in the same roles, a huge amount of retconning and convulted storylines, plus there's only so much more you could get out of some of the actors at this stage. Even this fake version of Pietro was a teenager in the 70's when he first appeared in Days of Future Past. It makes no sense that he'd be a multiverse version of Wanda's brother.

I thought it was a genius move to have fake Pietro be the actor from the Fox X-men films for the recast joke and as fan-service to the audience, but to try tie it in any logical way into the MCU really just isn't worth it.

When it comes to the X-Men in the MCU, Marvel would be much better off wiping the slate clean and starting afresh. Hell even Deadpool largely ignored the Fox films with just maybe the odd reference or small cameo appearance, but went with completely different versions of Colossus & Juggernaught.

I dont think you will like multiverse much if you are expecting all timelines to be seamless...theres time fudges in the MCU if people want to get into technicalities.

Zardoz

The best episode of the series by a distance.

They could have made 2 episodes out of that content and cut one or 2 of the earlier goofball sitcom episodes.

Gbear

Pietro still presumably had super speed.

Agatha said she mind-controlled him. Didn't mention giving him super-powers, I don't think.

Maybe it was all illusion, but she seemed to indicate that what Wanda was doing was well beyond her capabilities, so whipping up a super-speed spell for a regular dude seems a stretch.

There's clearly more to come from him, as we saw him with Captain blue eyes whatsherface... Lietenant Trouble, when she was nosing around Agatha's gaff.

The White Wolf

If fake Pietro goes nowhere as this episode suggests then what a waste of time that was, especially given they're going down the multiverse route anyway. I'd see the casting of Evans as less of a clever nod but more of a pointless wind up that wasn't needed.

Hopefully Harkness has only partly got her story right about what Wanda is. I'd be astounded if Evan Peters signed up for.....that.

Lithium93_

GSPfan wrote: »

You’ll get no argument from me on that one. I think Quicksilver is unique in that the Fox-verse has used the same character so i can allow a bizarre link to that actor, but if they attempt to get Hugh Jackman, Jennifer Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy or any of them to crossover I’ll be completely against it. Jennifer Lawrence is the most overrated thing in Hollywood.

I’m hoping to see a long term build up of the mutant storyline without them rushing straight to an X-Men team up. But if
Wanda has the x gene and it was in the MCU all this time then there could be a Wakanda style reveal where they’ve been sneakily there all along off camera and they were just really good at hiding.

Well you might get your wish for a long term build up to X-Men, if anything Marvel have shown they won't rush, just look at 2012 Avengers as an example, and how they slowly came together through Phase 1, then the big team up movie and beyond.

That and with everything under one umbrella with Feige at the helm.

GSPfan

Penn wrote: »

When it comes to the X-Men in the MCU, Marvel would be much better off wiping the slate clean and starting afresh.

You’ll get no argument from me on that one. I think Quicksilver is unique in that the Fox-verse has used the same character so i can allow a bizarre link to that actor, but if they attempt to get Hugh Jackman, Jennifer Lawrence, Fassbender, McAvoy or any of them to crossover I’ll be completely against it. Jennifer Lawrence is the most overrated thing in Hollywood.

I’m hoping to see a long term build up of the mutant storyline without them rushing straight to an X-Men team up. But if

Wanda has the x gene and it was in the MCU all this time then there could be a Wakanda style reveal where they’ve been sneakily there all along off camera and they were just really good at hiding.

Gbear

Brief_Lives wrote: »

Hold on, what was that power source at the end? a stark bomb?

The drone they sent in.

It gobbled some of Wanda's energy.

Brief_Lives

Hold on, what was that power source at the end? a stark bomb?

Lithium93_

horgan_p wrote: »

Mid credits scene

I know this, but I still think there's one more ace up the sleeve/TA-DA/Holy **** moment coming.

But IF that does turn out to be what Bettany was talking about, then tip of the hat to him for reeling in everyone who thought otherwise, hook, line and sinker

horgan_p

Lithium93_ wrote: »

A master class in trolling, IF it turns out to be the case...

Mid credits scene

Lithium93_

GSPfan wrote: »

Well i think we are completely caught up with what is going on with that episode.
Does anyone feel like this is a retcon series now? They are basically saying she had the power all along and the mind stone juiced it up. I think Wanda is going to be the first X gene mutant revealed in the MCU. They are basically reinventing her as The Scarlet Witch character who is a mutant.

That’s what it seems like to me.

Well given the time Pietro & Wanda were introduced into the MCU in The Winter Soldier mid credits and Strucker referring to them both as Miracles, they found a workaround to Marvel not having certain rights at the time, and now they'll be able to straight up say

yeah she's a mutant, has been all along.

And just like you said,

the mind stone simply juiced up her X-Gene