FrannoFan wrote: » I'd say a lot of Leinster academy lads live at home. Ringrose is still living at home! Expensive place to rent and on buttons.
Lucas44 wrote: » majority of academy players live together in and around Ucd.. Find it hard to believe ringrose wouldn’t be able to pay for accommodation if he really wanted, him & his brother both went to blackrock. That’s the guts of 250k for secondary school so perhaps not the best example As for academy players on buttons, there 8k of buttons is 8k more than the students that pay for accommodation in dublin get. Don’t forget a lot of the academy players are also students too, hence get helped out by scholarships in some cases for accommodation on college campuses. The players not being able to afford it is definitely not what’s holding back a centralised academy, it’s the fact it’s a poor idea and deteriorates the value of playing for one province and would almost certainly end with a huge lack of motivation/jobs for development officers and coaches in provinces from u17- sub academy
bayern wrote: » Best academy prospects by position: LH Prop Josh Wycherley(Munster) -u22 TH Prop Tom Clarkson(Leinster) -u21 Hooker Tom Stewart(Ulster) -u20 Lock Tom Aherne(Munster) -u21 Backrow John Hodnett(Munster) -u22 Scrumhalf Colm Reilly(Connacht) -u22 Outhalf Ben Healy(Munster) -u22 Centre Hayden Hyde(Ulster) -u21 Back Three Ethan McIlroy(Ulster) -u21
Dubinusa wrote: » My idea was to have a clubs academy for the best young clubs lads. The academy would have living quarters and would be seasonal, perhaps during July. It wouldn't be full time. More of a top level skills and fitness course. I think it would make sense. It would obviously be a talent type contest. Bring in top class coaching and staff and gauge where the players are.
bayern wrote: » Soroka has a long way to go before i'd rate him ahead of Hodnett or David McCann, and given his pure size I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at lock. McIlroy has looked much better than Smith to date.
Festive Life wrote: » Sec school cost wouldnt be 250k. Its expensive but for 2 brothers not boarding its not near 250k Would agree with you about academy players and benefits over normal students. I agree its a poor idea. I dont think it would reduce the value of playing for any one province and certainly dont agree that it would change the motivation levels of many of the development officers/coaches within provinces from u16 or 17 as IMO they would be thinking a lot more about it being great these guys are simply playing pro... What do you mean by club academy? There already is a seasonal set up in the summer where players live in for under 18s/19s and sub academy. Its through July and August. Many older players can be and have been added on training contracts either from start of pre season or any other stage of season where they train with province and some play A games or pre season games
Dubinusa wrote: » Soroka is still just 19. Looks like a good prospect. I think he could be Leinster's future 6. Of course, Maloney will undoubtedly get a shot too. I also think Soroka could possibly be tried at 8! He's really going to struggle to get time as a lock, imo.
Number 137 wrote: » Isn't Colm Reilly already on a senior contract with Connacht?
Smyth insists the IRFU do not intend to introduce a central academy system, but he acknowledges that more movement of young players between provinces is inevitable. “It’s always the case, ultimately, that players will seek the best opportunity to play the game. "The system is there to provide players with the resource and abilities to maximise their talent and provide them with playing opportunities. “After that, it’s up to the player to see where those best opportunities are for him.”
Currently, there are 65 NTS players across the four provinces, with 255 PTS players. In normal times, these youngsters make up the age-grade inter-provincial and national teams and are working to earn a place in one of the four academies in Munster, Leinster, Connacht, and Ulster. Right now, nearly all of those 320 players are training remotely, with only academy-contracted players – there are 67 of them in total – and senior professionals allowed to train together in Level 5. Naas man Jamie Osborne has just been upgraded from the NTS into the Leinster academy after his recent senior debut for the province, while the same has happened for Ulster man Ben Moxham. Other hopefuls haven’t had chances to impress on the pitch.
bayern wrote: » https://www.the42.ie/ulster-glasgow-5358708-Feb2021/#
RuPi wrote: » Interesting he says the NTS/PTS are training remotely, not the case in Ulster, 2/3 sessions a week going on.
bayern wrote: » As in the sub academy or lads still in school?
bayern wrote: » Peter Smyth:https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/other-rugby/dropout-danger-as-talented-players-have-their-rugby-futures-put-on-hold-40107890.html
bayern wrote: » Academy players who've gotten senior game time this season:Leinster Liam Turner(21/Centre) - 6 senior apps(363 mins), injured. Max O’Reilly(20/Fullback) - 4 senior apps(243 mins) Tom Clarkson(20/TH Prop) - 6 senior apps(194 mins) Michael Milne(21/LH Prop) - 5 senior apps(154 mins), injured. David Hawkshaw(21/Outhalf-Centre) - 7 senior apps(129 mins) Jamie Osborne(19/Centre) - 3 senior apps(100 mins) Andrew Smith(20/Wing) - 1 senior app(80 mins), injured. Michael Silvester(22/Fullback) - 2 senior apps(55 mins), injured. Alex Soroka(20/Backrow) - 1 senior app(22 min) Marcus Hanan(20/LH Prop) - 1 senior app(15 min)Munster Ben Healy(21/Outhalf) - 12 senior apps(525 mins) Josh Wycherley(21/LH Prop) - 9 senior apps(322 mins) John Hodnett(22/Backrow) - 3 senior apps(193 mins), injured. Tom Ahern(20/Lock) - 4 senior apps(119 mins) Sean French(21/Wing) - 1 senior app(58 mins) Jack Daly(22/Backrow) - 1 senior app(22 mins) Jack Crowley(21/Outhalf) - 1 senior app(14 mins) Jake Flannery(21/Outhalf) - 1 senior app(7 mins)Ulster Ethan McIlroy(20/Back Three) - 7 senior apps(315 mins) David McCann(20/Backrow) - 3 senior apps(116 mins) Aaron Sexton(20/Back Three) - 1 senior app(72 mins) Cormac Izuchukwu(21/Lock) - 2 senior apps(41 mins) Callum Reid(22/LH Prop) - 1 senior app(32 mins) Nathan Doak(19/Scrumhalf) - 1 senior app(15 mins)Connacht Sean O'Brien(22/Centre) - 4 senior app(117 mins) Cian Prendergast(21/Lock-Blindside) - 4 senior app(85 mins) Colm De Buitlear(23/Wing) - 2 senior app(77 mins)
Paul Smeenus wrote: » That's fantastic to see. Especially players like Turner, Healy, Wycherley and McIlroy who have serious minutes under their belt. Thanks for the work Bayern. Any chance of sub-academy players?
bayern wrote: » such as who? i've covered all academy/sub academy players who have played senior afaik.
Paul Smeenus wrote: » Ben Moxham. Two caps, against Munster and Connacht, if I recall properly. If you're going to do it, do it right. Don't shake our trust in you.
bayern wrote: » ah yes, I forgot about him.
