RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Apart from the auto correct typo which was obvious. I'll assume you agree with the test of my post. Regards Rob
Deleted User wrote: » Because we're expected to provide for our own people. It's a pretty basic facet of civilisation that we look after our own. I have my own issues with Traveller culture, for example, but Travellers are Irish, and should be provided for, until they're capable of providing for themselves (and we should do whatever we can to make that happen). It makes little logical sense though to increase the numbers of people who will be dependent on us, and have increasingly shown over the last two decades, to hold little loyalty or appreciation for the provision received. We already have a sizable foreign born population, and their subsequent Irish born children. They're unlikely to be leaving any time soon. It makes more sense that we have the resources to provide for them, and get them in a position of providing for themselves, than further increasing said population of dependents, and spreading existing resources wider. Resources that are already lacking in being able to provide for the existing population. I could understand, somewhat, this desire for more immigration, if we were assured that the Irish economy would continue to grow stronger, with a greater ability (and stability) to provide for increased numbers... but there's little sign that's going to be the case. The most positive estimations are that the economy remains as it is.. which is still incapable in providing adequate provisions for the overall population. A shrinking economy is far more likely, without jobs being available for new arrivals, and less investment available to produce them.
WrenBoy wrote: » Dear Robby, It'd probably be better to not assume that I agree with your views. Regards, Wren.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » No thought police here wranny
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Then stay out of the discussion!
RandRuns wrote: » Are you a mod now?
MrMusician18 wrote: » What is strange about this, is that, aside from a few self interested groups, there is absolutely no political pressure from the population to deal with this issue. The only pressure was to not locate DP in small towns and villages. I really don't see what is in this for the political parties? Positive press is perhaps the only thing. I'm waiting for the blame the EU (nothing to do with them of course), from cowardly politicians unwilling to own their decision. The housing list has been a mile long for decades and no one cared until private housing started to become unaffordable. The white paper is going to be a very hard sell to the regular Joe, back commuting an hour and a half each way to his over priced cramped estate home, while the state provides own door accommodation to foreigners within 6 months. We are creating fertile ground for extremist political parties tbh.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » :rolleyes:
fantaiscool wrote: » I have to say, it's extremely satisfying to see the racists scurry around crying about the end of Direct Provision
Deleted User wrote: » There's no need to leave the EU, and it would be economic suicide in any case. The freedom of movement for people and goods, doesn't necessarily extend to money...
Esho wrote: » There is massive middle-class/ NGO/ Irish Times etc pressure to deal with this issue ...from people who vote and contact their TDs. People who kick up a stink. Nobody represents Regular Joe - we get it up the Brenda Fricker. And we take it and have been taking it for ever, so there is no pressure for anyone to do anything. The only politicians talking about housing are doing this for people who the banks would laugh at if they tried to apply for a home loan. When an asylum seeker gets leave to stay, they join the queue for housing. Same weighting for them as for everyone else - so they effectively are homeless.
MrMusician18 wrote: » I agree there is a lot of pressure from the IT and media generally, but don't agree there is a clamour from the middle classes to deal with this. The middle classes are more concerned about obtaining good quality housing than worrying about the quality and rights of asylum seekers. Remember, a household with a combined income of say 80k would be considered middle class, and 80k is barely enough to get decent housing in Dublin. You have to be extremely wealthy to be able to afford to take this issue up as your cause.
MrMusician18 wrote: » We are creating fertile ground for extremist political parties tbh.
Yellow_Fern wrote: » If anyone was to found a respectful mainstream NGO to lobby on this Id be delighted to generously donate to it, provided it didn't go into far right stuff.
Eric Cartman wrote: » The only NGO’s we fund are all talking shops for open borders and left if centre ideas, theres a bunch of NGO’s that even keep painting the very idea of questioning unchecked migration as ‘far right stuff’
RandRuns wrote: » And I get the feeling that the job of some of their employees is to haunt forums like Boards to give the impression that their views are mainstream.
cgcsb wrote: » Devastated by the RTE news today regarding direct provision. As someone who has been impacted by the housing crisis and as someone who, along with my entire family, have paid high levels of personal taxation our entire lives only to be delivered this slap in the face. We wont have any right to a home but we'll be paying for homes for people with no connection to this country who have contributed nothing to system and that will be done as a matter of urgency. While we will get nothing but derision and more taxes. The biggest kick in the face was the media talking about how this was 'broadly welcomed', no alternative pov was offered by RTE. They also had claimed before that direct provision was the human rights issue of our generation, which made me sick to my stomach. I don't blame the people coming her and collecting the keys to their free house. I'd do it too in their situation, I'm just sick that the green party have done this to their own people.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Make your opinions known. I know I've shown my complete lack of respect and trust in our politicians, but I'll still let them know how I feel on issues. My parents do it too, and have spoken similar about DP, and the housing initiatives. As for RTE... I don't know, but I suspect people just assume that they'll be ignored rather than they're being told how people really feel. I've never known anyone who had been interviewed or made a part of their research on issues like this, so I always get the feeling that they just poll particular areas or certain types of people... Admittedly, I have submitted various "letters to editors" and other feedback and been ignored.. It is possible that if enough people let their opinions known.. while (this is important) sticking as much to unemotional and relevant facts/statistics, we might see some kind of shift in RTE, or the politicians. They both rely somewhat on the long-term acceptance (or lethargy) of the public... if people stop listening and start talking, we might see some change.
cgcsb wrote: » The biggest kick in the face was the media talking about how this was 'broadly welcomed'
MrMusician18 wrote: » What is strange about this, is that, aside from a few self interested groups, there is absolutely no political pressure from the population to deal with this issue
Arthur Daley wrote: » Yeah, ironically Europe is probably the best real hope now. Things have got so bad, it is only once Ireland's lack of self respect and open borders lunacy threatens the wider Common travel area that anything will be done about it. It is the weakest link in the chain. You can be damned sure the French, Italians and Eastern Europeans wouldn't stand for this nonsense anymore. They've had enough, and the Germans can't be that far behind. The British have already put their cards on the table with Brexit.
fantaiscool wrote: » Perhaps because it was broadly welcomed? I have to say it is pretty strange to see so many people who are on the fringe in terms of their views not realize it. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of comedic value in it but it's also quite sad in many ways. What if... it actually was broadly welcomed?
tayto lover wrote: » It’s not and it won’t be. It’s lunacy.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I certainly hope so.. about Europe.. but... a part of me fully expects them to return to their virtue signalling ways, and short-sighted desires to expand their workforce. Oh, I'm very hopeful that they don't.. but really.. what have we got to go by? France is the only country, apart from Denmark to really look at tackling the problems with multiculturalism. Most others are seeking to find convenient reasons for the failure of integration policies, blaming their own institutions rather than considering what else might be at play. As for the British.. I've always felt Brexit was less about multiculturalism/immigration and more of a gesture of annoyance that they were no longer diplomatic leaders in Europe. I just feel that Brexit was more to do with their increasingly lack of influence within the EU, rather than the media put forward about immigration. Most of their problems with immigration and multiculturalism came from their own policies.. So.. while I'm hopeful (due to France, really), I wouldn't be too surprised to see Germany and others revert to encouraging asylum seekers and refugees of all sorts.
Arthur Daley wrote: » Let's see how Le Pen gets on going into next year's presidential election. Recent polls have her 50:50 with Macron. 20 million Frenchmen can't be wrong?
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